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Enjoyable. A rare opportunity to witness an expression of someone who got p0wned well beyond his level of comprehension. Look how he strokes his pen in disbelie

by kelas 12y ago

Enjoyable. A rare opportunity to witness an expression of someone who got p0wned well beyond his level of comprehension. Look how he strokes his pen in disbelief, that poor German dude. "I know those switches", Mein Gott. As of today, there are two kinds of people in the world: those who believe we're still stuck in post-9/11, and those who realised we are now in post-Snowden. There is a third kind who have Facebook accounts, but those are just the nature's way of saying that Darwin got it right.

asdfologist 12y ago
> There is a third kind who still have Facebook accounts, but those are just the nature's way of saying that Darwin got it right. Wow, you just trash talked over 1 billion people in one sentence.
- kelas 12y ago
  Trillions of flies can't be wrong - elephant dung is awesome.
  - ossreality 12y ago
    You made a good point and then trashed it with a knee jerk reaction. If you think Facebook is one of the bad guys here, you don't really get what's going on.
  - TeMPOraL 12y ago
    For flies it is, but that doesn't generalize to other species. It's an incredibly stupid adage.
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moe 12y ago
There is a third kind who still have Facebook accounts, but those are just the nature's way of saying that Darwin got it right. That's a non sequitur. Having a facebook account or not is an almost negligible factor in the grand scheme of things. The kind of information commonly exposed on facebook can be more conclusively inferred from other information sources. Do you use a smartphone? Skype? Any search engine? Does your home internet come out of a plastic router? Do you click on the little lock icon every time you go to a SSL site, to verify the certificate hasn't changed? Do you know the fingerprint of the legitimate facebook SSL certificate? Think about what any one of the above devices "knows" about you in comparison to what facebook knows about you.
- kelas 12y ago
  True, true. The only difference is that somehow Google still maintains a straight face telling people they are not guinea pigs in their next study. Zuck never had that option in the first place, their only strategy is to maintain grip on the population at all costs, and no means are too sleazy. What you want to try is to shut down your Facebook account and check some e-mails they will be sending you for months to come... Prepare for the drama. They will be showing you the cutest photos of your family and closest friends, saying they're all devastated because you've gone antisocial. Zuck broke our hearts.
  - jmgrosen 12y ago
    Hm, I shut down my account, and I haven't gotten any emails from them... perhaps they've changed?
    - kelas 12y ago
      No, I doubt they have. What's more likely is that you took an option to to opt-out from any further communication from Facebook, something they reluctantly offered when all attempts to connect with you emotionally failed.
zz1 12y ago
I agree with you and I find this > There is a third kind who have Facebook accounts, but those are just the nature's way of saying that Darwin got it right. really amusing. But it is really wrong and bad to talk like this. We need those people to understand the issues of surveillance. We won't go nowhere without them, and even if you get ultra-secure, they will always be potential attack vectors. Don't trash them like that, but teach them, instead, how to behave, how to communicate in the post-Snowden era.
- kelas 12y ago
  Desperate trash talk, I agree. Amusing, yes. But really, language breaks down trying to describe the epic scale of a tragedy we are watching from the front row for many years now, one called Facebook. There is no practical way to tell one billion people that "Facebook" and "surveillance" are synonyms. This is simply too much to bear and process without relevant background and experience. There's no right kind of advice to be given. On top of everything, there will be an immense PR department trying to label your ideas dangerous and sociopathic. There is no better way to illustrate this effect than Stallman's formidable Facebook crusade: https://stallman.org/facebook.html https://stallman.org/facebook.html
  - zz1 12y ago
    Thanks for the link!
jp555 12y ago
Did you know credit card companies have been selling the data about what, when, and where we buy everything, and have been doing so for decades? I just don't understand the outrage about collecting data on what happens in the church basement after mass (that's essentially Facebook; who likes who/what, etc) when much more important things have been shared for a lot longer and no one cares.
- kelas 12y ago
  Sure we all leave footprints with companies we are customers of. But lets talk about intentions for a second. How would you like a credit card company which is selling information about things you really wanted to buy, but never actually did? Books you thought you should read, but never found time for? Who is the girl you fell in love with, but never dared to approach, or got turned down by? How often you're browsing Internet very tired, or drunk? What are you browsing for when you're drunk? What was the sentence you've started typing last night, but never finished? Who could benefit from buying such information about you, and how? How much of this church basement stuff can be used to influence you in 5 years from now? To affect your career in 15 years from now? Think how much your shopping mall history from 10 years ago is worth compared to a good educated guess about what is happening inside your head right now. These are the questions Facebook's resident data miners are routinely answering. This is what Facebook is after, and this is what makes them disgusting. http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/12/facebook-collects-conducts-research-on-status-updates-you-never-post/ http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/12/facebook-collects-co... If you're on Facebook, get out. If you're working for them, quit.
  - jp555 12y ago
    The credit card company can put together a MUCH more accurate profile of what I value, because it's a profile of what I spend my money on, and not just 10 years ago, but also 10 minutes ago. Facebook can profile as well, but the analogy I like is the magazines I choose to read from the pile in a doctors office waiting room. It's a sliver of a sliver of a sliver of one version of me, that's only relevant in a very narrow sense. I may "like" something for a whole host of unknown reasons, and likes are not scarce. When I put my money where my mouth is, it carries a lot more weight.
vezzy-fnord 12y ago
We live neither in post-9/11, nor post-Snowden. I'd actually trace it more back to post-New Deal, because the NSA has been conducting bulk domestic surveillance ever since its inception (starting with telegraph communications).
- kelas 12y ago
  If we were looking for a really striking level of abstraction, we could say surveillance is probably as old as prostitution. But you will agree Snowden did a lot to help general population understand where we are today. Definitely not Kansas, and no other New Deal in sight.

by kelas 12y ago

asdfologist 12y ago

> There is a third kind who still have Facebook accounts, but those are just the nature's way of saying that Darwin got it right. Wow, you just trash talked over 1 billion people in one sentence.

kelas 12y ago
Trillions of flies can't be wrong - elephant dung is awesome.
- ossreality 12y ago
  You made a good point and then trashed it with a knee jerk reaction. If you think Facebook is one of the bad guys here, you don't really get what's going on.
- TeMPOraL 12y ago
  For flies it is, but that doesn't generalize to other species. It's an incredibly stupid adage.
  - deleted 12y ago
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moe 12y ago

There is a third kind who still have Facebook accounts, but those are just the nature's way of saying that Darwin got it right. That's a non sequitur. Having a facebook account or not is an almost negligible factor in the grand scheme of things. The kind of information commonly exposed on facebook can be more conclusively inferred from other information sources. Do you use a smartphone? Skype? Any search engine? Does your home internet come out of a plastic router? Do you click on the little lock icon every time you go to a SSL site, to verify the certificate hasn't changed? Do you know the fingerprint of the legitimate facebook SSL certificate? Think about what any one of the above devices "knows" about you in comparison to what facebook knows about you.

kelas 12y ago
True, true. The only difference is that somehow Google still maintains a straight face telling people they are not guinea pigs in their next study. Zuck never had that option in the first place, their only strategy is to maintain grip on the population at all costs, and no means are too sleazy. What you want to try is to shut down your Facebook account and check some e-mails they will be sending you for months to come... Prepare for the drama. They will be showing you the cutest photos of your family and closest friends, saying they're all devastated because you've gone antisocial. Zuck broke our hearts.
- jmgrosen 12y ago
  Hm, I shut down my account, and I haven't gotten any emails from them... perhaps they've changed?
  - kelas 12y ago
    No, I doubt they have. What's more likely is that you took an option to to opt-out from any further communication from Facebook, something they reluctantly offered when all attempts to connect with you emotionally failed.

zz1 12y ago

I agree with you and I find this > There is a third kind who have Facebook accounts, but those are just the nature's way of saying that Darwin got it right. really amusing. But it is really wrong and bad to talk like this. We need those people to understand the issues of surveillance. We won't go nowhere without them, and even if you get ultra-secure, they will always be potential attack vectors. Don't trash them like that, but teach them, instead, how to behave, how to communicate in the post-Snowden era.

kelas 12y ago
Desperate trash talk, I agree. Amusing, yes. But really, language breaks down trying to describe the epic scale of a tragedy we are watching from the front row for many years now, one called Facebook. There is no practical way to tell one billion people that "Facebook" and "surveillance" are synonyms. This is simply too much to bear and process without relevant background and experience. There's no right kind of advice to be given. On top of everything, there will be an immense PR department trying to label your ideas dangerous and sociopathic. There is no better way to illustrate this effect than Stallman's formidable Facebook crusade: https://stallman.org/facebook.html https://stallman.org/facebook.html
- zz1 12y ago
  Thanks for the link!

jp555 12y ago

Did you know credit card companies have been selling the data about what, when, and where we buy everything, and have been doing so for decades? I just don't understand the outrage about collecting data on what happens in the church basement after mass (that's essentially Facebook; who likes who/what, etc) when much more important things have been shared for a lot longer and no one cares.

kelas 12y ago
Sure we all leave footprints with companies we are customers of. But lets talk about intentions for a second. How would you like a credit card company which is selling information about things you really wanted to buy, but never actually did? Books you thought you should read, but never found time for? Who is the girl you fell in love with, but never dared to approach, or got turned down by? How often you're browsing Internet very tired, or drunk? What are you browsing for when you're drunk? What was the sentence you've started typing last night, but never finished? Who could benefit from buying such information about you, and how? How much of this church basement stuff can be used to influence you in 5 years from now? To affect your career in 15 years from now? Think how much your shopping mall history from 10 years ago is worth compared to a good educated guess about what is happening inside your head right now. These are the questions Facebook's resident data miners are routinely answering. This is what Facebook is after, and this is what makes them disgusting. http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/12/facebook-collects-conducts-research-on-status-updates-you-never-post/ http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/12/facebook-collects-co... If you're on Facebook, get out. If you're working for them, quit.
- jp555 12y ago
  The credit card company can put together a MUCH more accurate profile of what I value, because it's a profile of what I spend my money on, and not just 10 years ago, but also 10 minutes ago. Facebook can profile as well, but the analogy I like is the magazines I choose to read from the pile in a doctors office waiting room. It's a sliver of a sliver of a sliver of one version of me, that's only relevant in a very narrow sense. I may "like" something for a whole host of unknown reasons, and likes are not scarce. When I put my money where my mouth is, it carries a lot more weight.

vezzy-fnord 12y ago

We live neither in post-9/11, nor post-Snowden. I'd actually trace it more back to post-New Deal, because the NSA has been conducting bulk domestic surveillance ever since its inception (starting with telegraph communications).

kelas 12y ago
If we were looking for a really striking level of abstraction, we could say surveillance is probably as old as prostitution. But you will agree Snowden did a lot to help general population understand where we are today. Definitely not Kansas, and no other New Deal in sight.