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I understand your position however I am ultimately against assisted suicide and euthanasia. Suffering and hardship are not bad things. They are means to a great

I understand your position however I am ultimately against assisted suicide and euthanasia. Suffering and hardship are not bad things. They are means to a greater end, a crucial part of the human journey. Anyone who tries to eliminate suffering by killing "sufferers" is establishing a horrific trend.

guygurari 12y ago
> Suffering and hardship are not bad things. Would you also deny others pain-relieving medication? See, your philosophical stance is admirable. In my mind, thinking of pain as a positive thing is a healthy approach to life. What I find deplorable is forcing your personal view on others. That is pure righteousness. Indeed, righteousness is the underlying problem here. Taking one's personal views on life ('... a crucial part of the human journey ...') and believing they are a universal truth. Once this belief is formed, the natural conclusion is to force others to live by it, because it is the Truth. How about we let everyone decide what to do with their own lives, as long as they do not inflict harm on others?
mkal_tsr 12y ago
Why does your definition of suffering hold more weight and authority than the one suffering? Why do you have more right to claim agency over those whom suffer? I am serious here. Please watch How to Die in Oregon (on Netflix) and get back to me, this is a very serious issue.
ScottBurson 12y ago
I don't see where anyone said anything about killing anyone other than themselves.
aperrien 12y ago
The semantics of "your suffering brings my life meaning" are particularly vile.
barry-cotter 12y ago
I hope you die in terrible pain. I hope it takes years.
- coldtea 12y ago
  Well, I hope the same for you and your family. Only I don't. But how does it felt? Do you really stoop to being so low a human being as to wish BS upon other people because you disagree with in a discussion? Do you think that makes you better than whatever you think he is?
  - barry-cotter 12y ago
    I don't care about this guy's family. Why did you bring mine into it? I do not merely disagree with his position. I consider it vile and a threat to me and everyone I know. It is one of those positions where compromise is immoral. Some disagreements are not matters for civilised discussion if you actually believe in it, slavery, religion, gay rights, morality in other words. I feel just fine about wanting an end to Alzheimer's, to aging and senescence in general and I feel equally fine about wanting him to live out his beliefs about how suffering brings meaning to life.
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guygurari 12y ago

> Suffering and hardship are not bad things. Would you also deny others pain-relieving medication? See, your philosophical stance is admirable. In my mind, thinking of pain as a positive thing is a healthy approach to life. What I find deplorable is forcing your personal view on others. That is pure righteousness. Indeed, righteousness is the underlying problem here. Taking one's personal views on life ('... a crucial part of the human journey ...') and believing they are a universal truth. Once this belief is formed, the natural conclusion is to force others to live by it, because it is the Truth. How about we let everyone decide what to do with their own lives, as long as they do not inflict harm on others?

mkal_tsr 12y ago

Why does your definition of suffering hold more weight and authority than the one suffering? Why do you have more right to claim agency over those whom suffer? I am serious here. Please watch How to Die in Oregon (on Netflix) and get back to me, this is a very serious issue.

ScottBurson 12y ago

I don't see where anyone said anything about killing anyone other than themselves.

aperrien 12y ago

The semantics of "your suffering brings my life meaning" are particularly vile.

barry-cotter 12y ago

I hope you die in terrible pain. I hope it takes years.

coldtea 12y ago
Well, I hope the same for you and your family. Only I don't. But how does it felt? Do you really stoop to being so low a human being as to wish BS upon other people because you disagree with in a discussion? Do you think that makes you better than whatever you think he is?
- barry-cotter 12y ago
  I don't care about this guy's family. Why did you bring mine into it? I do not merely disagree with his position. I consider it vile and a threat to me and everyone I know. It is one of those positions where compromise is immoral. Some disagreements are not matters for civilised discussion if you actually believe in it, slavery, religion, gay rights, morality in other words. I feel just fine about wanting an end to Alzheimer's, to aging and senescence in general and I feel equally fine about wanting him to live out his beliefs about how suffering brings meaning to life.

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