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This shows how flawed the whole medical science is today. The issue is not Alzheimer, the issue is autoimmune diseases, specifically, leaky gut, constant low-gr

by kolev 12y ago

This shows how flawed the whole medical science is today. The issue is not Alzheimer, the issue is autoimmune diseases, specifically, leaky gut, constant low-grade inflammation, and others. If you try to fix just Alzheimer's alone, you've accomplished little! Fix the leaky gut issue, you've solve tens of chronic diseases at once. But, I guess, it's more profitable to sell 10 different "targeted" therapies instead of fixing one thing with lifestyle and proper nutrition! Another thing to add is the Hygiene Hypothesis - we're not adapted to live in a sterile environment, so, either get a bit more filthy (and resilient) or adjust your nutrition to more anti-inflammatory state. Anyway, I'm happy that there are conscious physicians who are revolting against the status quo and practicing Functional Medicine like Dr. Mark Hyman and others.

kolev 12y ago
Downvoting without voicing a reason what do you think is wrong with my statement is a cowardly act. This community becoming rotten by then cowards and their baseless opinions. Honestly, if one thing could be done to counter the redditization of HN is to disallow downvoting or, at least, disallow if you don't post a comment.
- DanBC 12y ago
  I downvoted your first comment for outright quackery with no supporting links.
  - kolev 12y ago
    "Outright quackery", really? It seems that you haven't been following recent developments. All the quackery is proven to be coming from FDA - vilifying salt, alcohol, saturated fats, animal protein for decades with no scientific proof.
    - DanBC 12y ago
      People say that, and then they blame everything on sugar or wheat or whatever and make the same mistakes. I'm not sure why you included alcohol in your list of things people said were harmful that are not harmful. Alcohol is harmful.
      - kolev 12y ago
        Abuse of alcohol (or anything) is harmful. Two glasses of red wine a day have proven benefits. Drink a few gallons of water and you'll die. I hope you get my point. Toxicity and harmfulness is all about the dose. Eating a small piece of bread cannot harm you, getting way too much fast carbs in your diet is without any doubt harmful.
        sliverstorm 12y ago
        There is little evidence that the alcohol in the red wine is what gives benefits. It's a possible avenue of study (does moderate consumption of alcohol improve health by relaxing & reducing stress levels?) but the current belief is some of the other chemicals are the key. Otherwise two shots of vodka should render the same health benefit.
        kolev 12y ago
        Beer has its benefits, too, unless it gets abused, too, or is totally adulterated like most modern beer. Is it the alcohol or the phytochemicals in the alcoholic beverages - I really don't care. Vilifying alcohol in general is what I care about. Tylenol is the leading cause of liver failure in the States, yet, doctors still prescribe it and it's OTC. Why not ban something that's proven to be harmful? I won't even mention Lipitor and similar!
        ZoF 12y ago
        I think that if you truly believe in the narrative that you're espousing, and you actually want to do some good, you should start qualifying your statements with facts and changing the tone that you present them with. Spewing vitriol because someone disagreed with you and down-voted only serves to illegitimatize the statement you're trying to make. Which is a shame because behind that facade of angst and unqualified opinion is a kernel of relevant truth.
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    - kolev 12y ago
      Forgot to add coffee and chocolate as the top evil foods of the past.
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Gatsky 12y ago
I agree that novel approaches should be welcomed, but I doubt that pseudoscientific fads perpetrated by Hyman et al are going to bring us a cure for Alzheimer's Disease. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/bill-and-hillary-clinton-go-woo-with-mark-hyman-and-functional-medicine/ http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/bill-and-hillary-clinton...
- kolev 12y ago
  Pseudoscience, really? Can you provide a reference to anything specific?
  - conception 12y ago
    Isabel, a cute 10-year-old girl from Texas who loved riding horses, walked into my office a year and a half ago with one of the most severe cases of autoimmune disease I had ever seen. Her face was swollen, her skin was inflamed, her joints were swollen, her immune system was attacking her entire body–her muscles, her skin, her joints, her blood vessels, her liver, and her white and red blood cells. Isabel couldn’t squeeze her hand or make a fist. The tips of her fingers and toes were always cold from Raynaud’s disease that inflammed her blood vessels. She was tired and miserable and was losing her hair. Isabel was on elephant doses of intravenous steroids every three weeks just to keep her alive, and she was taking prednisone, aspirin, acid blockers, and methotrexate, a chemotherapy drug used to shut down the immune system daily. Two months after I first saw Isabel and discovered and treated the underlying causes of her inflammation–after, as she says she, “stopped eating gluten, dairy, and sugar and took some supplements” she was symptom free. In less than a year, she was completely healthy, her blood tests were normal, and she was off all her medication. ---- That is pseudoscience.
    - kolev 12y ago
      So, eliminating allergens is pseudo science?
      - sliverstorm 12y ago
ggreer 12y ago
Your pet issue has little or nothing to do with Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's results from a combination of three things: 1. Amyloid plaques forming between brain cells. 2. Neurofibrillary tangles forming in brain cells. 3. Loss of brain cells, likely from the build-up of 1 & 2. All three of these things happen to everyone as we age. This is true no matter how good your immune system or diet is. Many of us just get killed by something else before it becomes pathological.
- kolev 12y ago
  Again, you're going symptomatic about the disease... The premise that we live longer than ever before and that's why we get these diseases is a statistical error. Child mortality and poor record-keeping was driving life expectancy down. My own homeland had a lot more centenarians in the past than in the past decades, for example. My own predecessors lived longer than my relatives who died recently of various chronic diseases.
  - djokkataja 12y ago
    It's not a statistical error. Overall, the maximum age that anyone gets to is not much higher than before, but: 1. Many more people reach old age than previously (due to reduced infant mortality), so old age diseases are a larger problem for society since a larger portion of society is getting old. (not citing a source for this because it's extremely well established) 2. Life expectancy for various ages (not just starting at birth) has increased steadily over the last 100 years. Check out page 3 here: http://www.osfi-bsif.gc.ca/Eng/Docs/DEIP_Gallop.pdf http://www.osfi-bsif.gc.ca/Eng/Docs/DEIP_Gallop.pdf Life expectancy improvements at various ages over the past 100 years: At birth: +27 years At age 15: +14 years At age 45: +10 years At age 65: +5 years At age 80: +2 years Functional medicine is not responsible for the increases in life expectancy.
    - kolev 12y ago
      As you can tell by your own sample, above 50, the improvements are more like a rounding error than anything. Considering that most of these "improved" lives are actually suffering from various chronic diseases, I don't think there's any improvement. It doesn't really matter if one lived 80 or 82 years, the quality of life of those 80 years is what matters and given how much time is invested now in healthcare compared to zero to nothing in the past, that is really non-productive, no fun, i.e. wasted time, so, subtract that from the overall lifespan and there's no improvement at all and on the contrary!

by kolev 12y ago

kolev 12y ago

Downvoting without voicing a reason what do you think is wrong with my statement is a cowardly act. This community becoming rotten by then cowards and their baseless opinions. Honestly, if one thing could be done to counter the redditization of HN is to disallow downvoting or, at least, disallow if you don't post a comment.

DanBC 12y ago
I downvoted your first comment for outright quackery with no supporting links.
- kolev 12y ago
  "Outright quackery", really? It seems that you haven't been following recent developments. All the quackery is proven to be coming from FDA - vilifying salt, alcohol, saturated fats, animal protein for decades with no scientific proof.
  - DanBC 12y ago
    People say that, and then they blame everything on sugar or wheat or whatever and make the same mistakes. I'm not sure why you included alcohol in your list of things people said were harmful that are not harmful. Alcohol is harmful.
    - kolev 12y ago
      Abuse of alcohol (or anything) is harmful. Two glasses of red wine a day have proven benefits. Drink a few gallons of water and you'll die. I hope you get my point. Toxicity and harmfulness is all about the dose. Eating a small piece of bread cannot harm you, getting way too much fast carbs in your diet is without any doubt harmful.
      - sliverstorm 12y ago
        There is little evidence that the alcohol in the red wine is what gives benefits. It's a possible avenue of study (does moderate consumption of alcohol improve health by relaxing & reducing stress levels?) but the current belief is some of the other chemicals are the key. Otherwise two shots of vodka should render the same health benefit.
        kolev 12y ago
        Beer has its benefits, too, unless it gets abused, too, or is totally adulterated like most modern beer. Is it the alcohol or the phytochemicals in the alcoholic beverages - I really don't care. Vilifying alcohol in general is what I care about. Tylenol is the leading cause of liver failure in the States, yet, doctors still prescribe it and it's OTC. Why not ban something that's proven to be harmful? I won't even mention Lipitor and similar!
      - ZoF 12y ago
        I think that if you truly believe in the narrative that you're espousing, and you actually want to do some good, you should start qualifying your statements with facts and changing the tone that you present them with. Spewing vitriol because someone disagreed with you and down-voted only serves to illegitimatize the statement you're trying to make. Which is a shame because behind that facade of angst and unqualified opinion is a kernel of relevant truth.
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  - kolev 12y ago
    Forgot to add coffee and chocolate as the top evil foods of the past.
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Gatsky 12y ago

I agree that novel approaches should be welcomed, but I doubt that pseudoscientific fads perpetrated by Hyman et al are going to bring us a cure for Alzheimer's Disease. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/bill-and-hillary-clinton-go-woo-with-mark-hyman-and-functional-medicine/ http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/bill-and-hillary-clinton...

kolev 12y ago
Pseudoscience, really? Can you provide a reference to anything specific?
- conception 12y ago
  Isabel, a cute 10-year-old girl from Texas who loved riding horses, walked into my office a year and a half ago with one of the most severe cases of autoimmune disease I had ever seen. Her face was swollen, her skin was inflamed, her joints were swollen, her immune system was attacking her entire body–her muscles, her skin, her joints, her blood vessels, her liver, and her white and red blood cells. Isabel couldn’t squeeze her hand or make a fist. The tips of her fingers and toes were always cold from Raynaud’s disease that inflammed her blood vessels. She was tired and miserable and was losing her hair. Isabel was on elephant doses of intravenous steroids every three weeks just to keep her alive, and she was taking prednisone, aspirin, acid blockers, and methotrexate, a chemotherapy drug used to shut down the immune system daily. Two months after I first saw Isabel and discovered and treated the underlying causes of her inflammation–after, as she says she, “stopped eating gluten, dairy, and sugar and took some supplements” she was symptom free. In less than a year, she was completely healthy, her blood tests were normal, and she was off all her medication. ---- That is pseudoscience.
  - kolev 12y ago
    So, eliminating allergens is pseudo science?
    - sliverstorm 12y ago

ggreer 12y ago

Your pet issue has little or nothing to do with Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's results from a combination of three things: 1. Amyloid plaques forming between brain cells. 2. Neurofibrillary tangles forming in brain cells. 3. Loss of brain cells, likely from the build-up of 1 & 2. All three of these things happen to everyone as we age. This is true no matter how good your immune system or diet is. Many of us just get killed by something else before it becomes pathological.

kolev 12y ago
Again, you're going symptomatic about the disease... The premise that we live longer than ever before and that's why we get these diseases is a statistical error. Child mortality and poor record-keeping was driving life expectancy down. My own homeland had a lot more centenarians in the past than in the past decades, for example. My own predecessors lived longer than my relatives who died recently of various chronic diseases.
- djokkataja 12y ago
  It's not a statistical error. Overall, the maximum age that anyone gets to is not much higher than before, but: 1. Many more people reach old age than previously (due to reduced infant mortality), so old age diseases are a larger problem for society since a larger portion of society is getting old. (not citing a source for this because it's extremely well established) 2. Life expectancy for various ages (not just starting at birth) has increased steadily over the last 100 years. Check out page 3 here: http://www.osfi-bsif.gc.ca/Eng/Docs/DEIP_Gallop.pdf http://www.osfi-bsif.gc.ca/Eng/Docs/DEIP_Gallop.pdf Life expectancy improvements at various ages over the past 100 years: At birth: +27 years At age 15: +14 years At age 45: +10 years At age 65: +5 years At age 80: +2 years Functional medicine is not responsible for the increases in life expectancy.
  - kolev 12y ago
    As you can tell by your own sample, above 50, the improvements are more like a rounding error than anything. Considering that most of these "improved" lives are actually suffering from various chronic diseases, I don't think there's any improvement. It doesn't really matter if one lived 80 or 82 years, the quality of life of those 80 years is what matters and given how much time is invested now in healthcare compared to zero to nothing in the past, that is really non-productive, no fun, i.e. wasted time, so, subtract that from the overall lifespan and there's no improvement at all and on the contrary!