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Dutch Girl Fakes a Trip to South East Asia
- dllthomas 12y agohttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cheapassgames/stuff-and-nonsense https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cheapassgames/stuff-and...
- KnightHawk3 12y agoHow does this relate to the topic?
- dllthomas 12y agoThe theme of the game is "pretending you've gone on adventures" (it's a remake of Captain Park's Imaginary Polar Expedition, by the same people).
- kaonashi 12y agoThe first paragraph: You and your friends are globetrotting explorers. Or so you say. Actually, you are all liars and cowards, and despite your claims to the contrary, you've never left London.
- fencepost 12y agoThis could have done with a lot more explanation. The link is for a (already 180% funded) Kickstarter for "Stuff and Nonsense" which is a successor (remake? sequel? "This game has a similar story, but the rules are almost completely different.") to an older game called "Captain Park's Imaginary Polar Expedition" from Cheapass Games, in which the basic concept is that you and your friends are all faking expeditions with game mechanics around a) faking evidence and b) catching your friends faking evidence. You can download "Captain Park's" from the Cheapass "Boulevard of Broken Games" at http://cheapass.com/node/115 http://cheapass.com/node/115 which basically has downloads for games that haven't been updated in 10+ years.
- dllthomas 12y ago"This could have done with a lot more explanation." Doubtless - thanks for picking up the slack! :)
- bruceb 12y agoI am actually surprised the travel industry isn't on facebook more. How many more travel pics do we see now then before fb?
- jsolson 12y agoThe thought occurred during a recent vacation I took: if I tried to show my friends and family my vacation photos after the trip it would be a classic sitcom groan moment, but by posting during the trip I get past their defenses. Their need to compulsively 'like' things kicks in, and they unwittingly view the whole trip anyway.
- px1999 12y agoThe medium is the message - it's the context that changes the meaning. Sitting everyone down for pictures is almost gloating; but when you remove the obligations, people's desires to be nice, helpful and curious kick in so they take a look and click like. But yeah, I'm surprised that companies involved in travel aren't all over social media. My only guess is that it might be difficult to change the messaging from "travel is exciting" to "travel with Xyz travels pty ltd is exciting" because of the industry's commoditization.
- toyg 12y agoSome travel-related companies are "all over social media". Tripadvisor had some success with their FB apps showing "cities I've visited" etc. To be honest, it's just that social media already does most of the job for them, for free (travelers post pictures on their own, nowadays even tagging the location or establishment), so why push it?
- omouse 12y agoBecause you want people to link directly to the trip or vacation or hotel or airline that they used. People usually don't mention it, they mention the destination.
- QuantumChaos 12y ago>The reasons behind her actions, however, are noble: it was all part of a university project, in which she wanted to show how Facebook activity is not necessarily reflective of real life. I don't think doing academic research is a carte-blanch to lie to people. One girl might do this sort of thing for the ego boost of appearing cool. But what about the ego boost academics get from pulling this kind of trick on other people.
- hashbazz 12y agoEvery time someone posts to Facebook, it's a lie. All of Facebook is a lie. No ones posts all of the details of their lives, especially the ugly details, or the uncomfortable details, or the embarrassing ones. This student set out to underscore that fact, and I am tickled that she did so quite effectively.
- QuantumChaos 12y agoSelectively providing information is not equivalent to lying.
- rhizome 12y agoThere are lies of commission and lies of omission.
- jacquesm 12y agoThat's the second time in a week that I come across that statement on HN. You'd be surprised how the rest of the world views lies of omission, hint: not kindly.
- PhasmaFelis 12y agoLying by omission is not the same thing as not mentioning irrelevancies.
- collyw 12y agoYou know the bit in a court, when they ask to hear "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth"?
- asifjamil 12y agoCool experiment, but not letting your family in on it? Not sure how this will affect future trust issues...
- gdubs 12y agoIt was for research. If it were my daughter, I'd be both impressed and proud. Besides, most college students represent a different reality to their parents than the one they actually live.
- swartkrans 12y agoI don't know, I'd be pretty worried about my daughter if she were in another continent. I'd want the hotel information, I'd send her extra money. I'd be reading up on news in that area. I doubt I would be angry to find out it was a university project and she never went anywhere, but whatever I would feel probably wouldn't end up being pleasant. Maybe it wouldn't be bad, but the stress put on the parents doesn't seem right. I don't think children know how much parents care about them sometimes.
- coldtea 12y ago>I don't know, I'd be pretty worried about my daughter if she were in another continent. I'd want the hotel information, I'd send her extra money. I'd be reading up on news in that area. She was in university, not 14 years old.
- ssully 12y agoI am pretty sure he knows this. Being in college doesn't make parents stop from worrying or caring about their children.
- hueving 12y agoYou're right. Traveling alone in several foreign countries for more than a month as someone just out of high school is completely safe. There is no reason a parent would have to worry about their kid doing that.
- KhalilK 12y agoIn the spirit of the increasing Facebook dependency, http://99daysoffreedom.com/ http://99daysoffreedom.com/
- ChrisAntaki 12y agoFor those who'd like even more of a challenge, just delete your Facebook [1]. They'll instantly deactivate (not delete) your account, and then spend 7 days sending emails which are designed to make you change your mind, with various psychological tricks. [1] https://www.facebook.com/help/delete_account https://www.facebook.com/help/delete_account
- igl 12y agoI am already off Facebook since a few months. The first 2 weeks I caught myself opening a new tab typing 'face' and then realizing I deactivated my account. I just moved to a new city which breaks my old ties even faster. But my really good friends call me now and that feels really good! Next up: 99 days without hackernews :)
- Kartificial 12y agoFor what its worth, she mentioned in a television show that she got a 7 (out of 10) mark for the project, which was people thought was rather low. The fact is that she does a kind of art study and that the teacher was not all to impressed with the 'art' she created for the project.
- zwischenzug 12y agoReminds me of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds_13 Some Leeds art students faked a trip to Malaga on student grant money. Caused great outrage. I was friends with one of the 13. He dined out on it for a while, had a whale of a time.
- clay_to_n 12y agoLove this. Very cool project, even if, as pointed out already in this thread, it was emulated from the Leeds 13's own fake trip. Also fascinating how hostile some of the commenters are here. The project explores the illusion social media sites create. I think it's pretty cool.
- chrismcb 12y agoWhat "illusions" do social media sites create? I don't see what this has to do with social media. Other than it makes it a bit more difficult to pull off. Because you need to make posts over the time period.
- dllthomas 12y agoI think it's more accurately "the illusions we create within social media sites" - if someone can do this, what subtle misrepresentations are we creating (with or without thinking about it)? Certainly, it is not unique to "social media sites", but an attribute of social interaction in general. Social sites just reify and persist that interaction in a form suitable for this kind of a project.
- sroerick 12y agoMe and a friend did this as a joke for a few days. I had never heard of the Leeds 13 trip. It's not an unobvious thing to do.
- frozenport 12y agoI don't see the modernity of the project because she used traditional methods like setting up a complete scene and photographing herself. Perhaps a more modern variant is to make lots of posts from a south Asian chat room to convince people your are from South Asia?
- jonknee 12y agoWhat an amazing plot twist it would be if she actually had gone to Asia and ended up faking that she faked the trip.
- golergka 12y agoShe would loose the credit for the project if the school found out though.
- stoolpigeon 12y agolose
- bvaldivielso 12y agoBut the project could actually be how easy it is to manipulate the media
- jonknee 12y agoShe's actually attending the M. Night Shyamalan school of art.
- theflubba 12y ago*lose.
- qopp 12y agoAnother interesting take on this in my opinion is that no one recognized the places that she went to. Perhaps people don't realize that interesting destinations exist in their home towns.
- dopamean 12y agoThis is the first thing I thought. Given a sufficiently large city and a sufficiently disinterested friend group I think it's possible to pull this off in many places. I have friends who have grown up in New York and never been to the Met. I'm fairly certain I could convince them I was at the Louvre.
- sroerick 12y agoI did a similar thing with a buddy. As a joke, he put his MS paint pictures of Shrek on Facebook, and said he had gotten a job as a concept artist on Facebook. I used google image searches to search for LA locations. I got close to a dozen phone calls, texts, and fb messages asking me to hang out while I was in LA. You don't even need selfies.
- tripzilch 12y agoPeople could possibly pull that off with me even for museums I have been to a few years ago. I won't remember all the paintings, I won't really remember all the interior room styles (even when they are pretty unique, a few single photos usually don't capture that, unless you do it on purpose). Even if I saw a painting that I'm sure I've seen somewhere else, they do move/loan them to different expositions over time, I've seen that happen in reality too (I'd remark on that, hey I think I've seen that one at museum X--ok, maybe that's when I would start to get a clue). Add to that the fact that you simply don't expect to be lied to in such a straightforward manner, I see no shame in being able to be fooled in this way.
- gargalatas 12y agoNope, sea water cannot mirror like this on a photo. It's obvious that it is in a [probably indoors] pool.
- notahacker 12y agoShe'd have probably enjoyed the real South East Asia more
- J0415 12y agoHere's a post with more pictures: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/this-woman-used-photoshop-to-convince-her-family-that-she-we http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/this-woman-used-photos...
- coppolaemilio 12y agoAs seen on: Random people fakes a great weekend posting pictures of smiling people holding drinks on nightclubs.
- malkia 12y agoReminds of this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mason_University's_historical_hoaxes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mason_University's_histo...
- skepcie9279 12y agoLOVE the experience and HER for most TRAVEL is over-rated. LONG time New York City, NY, USA. Seen the tunnel doors under the Columbia University campus .... but then, i was a student. Go to the factory parties in Brooklyn and ride my bicycle through the POLISH Greenpoint section with the Catholic statues and shrines in the house or apartment yard or garden. SHAME ON YOU for only thinking the experiment or sociology review or comment on Facebook is ABOUT FOOLING YOUR FRIENDS. In general, most of your FRIENDS are DUMBER than you are and even test lower on the IQ scale. ITS ALL ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE. Can you get a real Chinatown street food - yummy bizarre food high? Without going to Bangkok? Without jet lag? without high amount of expense? Sure scuba diving in the Caribbean is a high point of life. But I spent most time looking behind me for there were sharks / barracuda etc. So, experience and MILEAGE WILL VARY GREATLY. CONCLUSION: no suprise, you ignoramousses. Read the book on globalization. In Florida you can hear the NATIVE INDIAN from Mexico who has NO PAPERS who is working construction IN FLORIDA. Many friends have never been to the Metropolitan MUSEUM of NYC, NY, USA - post link. HUNGARIAN movies and cheap student films were shot at the Hungarian Coffee Shop right near St. John the Divine Church. Location is close to 116th street. Columbia University. Here's proof. Simply come up with ONE HUNDRED QUESTIONS for a reality movie /documentary / March of the Penguins in Antartica etc. MOST OF THE COLLEGE GRADUATES are clueless! Are they living in a Matrix? Are MOST OF THE PENGUINS EXACTLY the same and 95% or ninety five percent of all penguins seen are MALE? Something is wrong, because "the illusion social media" or rather the DEPENDENCE UPON VIRTUAL or almost reality. PS. look carefully at the MONK PICTURES. DO you see Waldo? that is a joke. Do YOU SEE FIVE THINGS WRONG? are the light spectrum color variation appropriate? Does water swirl down the drain in a counter-clockwise direction? SHAVING HEAD USING A MODERN DAY RAZOR? some teeth filled with gold by dentist while in the US they use verneers and coverings and 'silver amalgam'?
- garysvpa 12y agoInteresting! She is so cool and smart.
- Sami_Lehtinen 12y agoI wonder what measures she took to simulate network latency. That's one of the things, that's going to immediately rat you out, if you're not where you're supposed to be.