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European-Canadian Free Trade Agreement Documents

69 points by jk4930 12y ago

xemoka 12y ago
Leaked the day that FIPA (the Canada-China trade deal) gets ratified by Prime minister Harper [1]. http://www.vancouverobserver.com/news/harper-oks-potentially-unconstitutional-china-canada-fipa-deal-coming-force-october-1 http://www.vancouverobserver.com/news/harper-oks-potentially...
- walterbell 12y ago
  > "Even if found unconstitutional by a court down the road...once the treaty has been ratified, none of the obligations assumed by Canada can be modified unless China agrees," he said." Is that assessment based on Canadian law?
- josho 12y ago
  Why is this not being reported by any of our national news outlets! Instead I'm fed the latest drivel on rob ford.
  - kleiba 12y ago
    Could you try to investigate that question with your usual news providers? I for one would be interested to learn about the reasons, if you can find out any.
    - josho 12y ago
      I think the reasons are straightforward. Page views. Rob Ford gets clicks, and doesn't take any effort to write. Complex trade deals are boring and take research to make sense of, and after all that research may not even result in a meaningful story.
      - kleiba 12y ago
        Is this the "official" reason given by the media though?
  - mmphosis 12y ago
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-china-investment-treaty-to-come-into-force-oct-1-1.2764075 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-china-investment-trea... http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/canada-ratifies-investment-deal-with-china-despite-misgivings-1.2004295 http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/canada-ratifies-investment-de... http://www.leadnow.ca/stop-fipa/ http://www.leadnow.ca/stop-fipa/
    - walterbell 12y ago
      > "In effect, it will give China access to, and control over, some of Canada’s natural resources for the next 31 years." Why 31 years, is that number commonly used in other trade agreements? Or is 2045 a special year? If the next Canadian government decides not to honor this agreement, what could China do (outside of military action) besides negotiate a new agreement? If the next Chinese government decides not to honor this future legacy agreement, what could Canada do, besides negotiate a new agreement? It seems inefficient to make secret agreements that can be rescinded by massive public opposition once the agreements are made public. Optimistic locking in databases only works when the chance of a conflicting lock is low.
    - josho 12y ago
      Wow. I checked CBC, CCTV, and globe and mail myself before commenting and didn't see anything. After your comment I double checked and saw it buried at the bottom of the politics page. Sadly, the CBC doesn't provide any insight except for the usual quotes from political parties. CTV is marginally better. But the real question is where do you go for real journalism in this country?
      - mmphosis 12y ago
        "Real" journalism is difficult to find. Maybe look locally, internationally, and places that you've not been before. http://thetyee.ca/ http://thetyee.ca/ http://www.democracynow.org/ http://www.democracynow.org/ http://rt.com/ http://rt.com/ http://english.aljazeera.net/ http://english.aljazeera.net/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ http://dissidentvoice.org/ http://dissidentvoice.org/ Some excellent journalists have moved from CBC to Al Jazeera. And, I note that many former American news anchors can be found on RT. Please do your own research, and take everything with a grain of salt. Let me know what you find out.
grossemarde 12y ago
Leaked more than a month ago in Germany by Tagesschau http://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/ceta-101.html http://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/ceta-101.html
- jk4930 12y ago
  But incomplete. And they reduced the number of the available documents.
uokyas 12y ago
What does that mean to DRM laws, and Patent laws in the EU. What does trade have to do with those laws?? Every country in EU needs to enforce it? Has it come to that already?
- walterbell 12y ago
  More info here, http://stopttip.net/data-security-internet-freedom/ http://stopttip.net/data-security-internet-freedom/
walterbell 12y ago
ComputerWorld UK is summarizing TTIP news, a live blog of the slow but steady transition from nation state to corporate lawsuits. The first tier of governance will be done by lawsuit and whatever is left can be done by national governments. There are implications for all startups: should your incumbent competitor be granted the ability to sue a national government and influence your ability to compete in a geographical market? A single lawsuit can affect multiple industries, e.g. by changing insurance requirements. For the low low price of one lawsuit, a deep-pocketed competitor can influence multiple nation states and industries, by setting new trans-national "legal" precedent. http://www.computerworlduk.com/blogs/open-enterprise/ttip-updates--the-glyn-moody-blogs-3569438/ http://www.computerworlduk.com/blogs/open-enterprise/ttip-up... "However, one thing we have learned is that those behind unbalanced laws like SOPA and treaties like ACTA, never give up. If they fail with one, they just try again with another. And so it turns out in the wake of ACTA's demise. We are now witnessing exactly the same secretive approach being applied to TTIP - the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership – originally known as TAFTA, the Transatlantic Free Trade Agreement." On a positive note, please share the CC-licensed A2K (Access to Knowledge) Handbook (pdf), http://a2knetwork.org/handbook http://a2knetwork.org/handbook & http://a2knetwork.org/book http://a2knetwork.org/book "Access to Knowledge (A2K) is the umbrella term for a movement that aims to create more equitable public access to the products of human culture and learning. The ultimate objective of the movement is to create a world in which educational and cultural works are accessible to all, and in which consumers and creators alike participate in a vibrant ecosystem of innovation and creativity."
walterbell 12y ago
This story was pushed off the front page by three stories that had steadily declined to page 4 over several hours, then suddenly jumped to the front page in 5 minutes. http://hnrankings.info/8311860,8312295,8312249,8312411/ http://hnrankings.info/8311860,8312295,8312249,8312411/ #162 -> #25 Server Migration with Zero Downtime #135 -> #11 Show HN: Pup – A command line HTML parser #127 -> #23 The Impossible Star Edit: HN moderator response in this thread, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8313505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8313505

69 points by jk4930 12y ago

Leaked the day that FIPA (the Canada-China trade deal) gets ratified by Prime minister Harper [1]. http://www.vancouverobserver.com/news/harper-oks-potentially-unconstitutional-china-canada-fipa-deal-coming-force-october-1 http://www.vancouverobserver.com/news/harper-oks-potentially...

walterbell 12y ago
> "Even if found unconstitutional by a court down the road...once the treaty has been ratified, none of the obligations assumed by Canada can be modified unless China agrees," he said." Is that assessment based on Canadian law?
josho 12y ago
Why is this not being reported by any of our national news outlets! Instead I'm fed the latest drivel on rob ford.
- kleiba 12y ago
  Could you try to investigate that question with your usual news providers? I for one would be interested to learn about the reasons, if you can find out any.
  - josho 12y ago
    I think the reasons are straightforward. Page views. Rob Ford gets clicks, and doesn't take any effort to write. Complex trade deals are boring and take research to make sense of, and after all that research may not even result in a meaningful story.
    - kleiba 12y ago
      Is this the "official" reason given by the media though?
- mmphosis 12y ago
  http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-china-investment-treaty-to-come-into-force-oct-1-1.2764075 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-china-investment-trea... http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/canada-ratifies-investment-deal-with-china-despite-misgivings-1.2004295 http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/canada-ratifies-investment-de... http://www.leadnow.ca/stop-fipa/ http://www.leadnow.ca/stop-fipa/
  - walterbell 12y ago
    > "In effect, it will give China access to, and control over, some of Canada’s natural resources for the next 31 years." Why 31 years, is that number commonly used in other trade agreements? Or is 2045 a special year? If the next Canadian government decides not to honor this agreement, what could China do (outside of military action) besides negotiate a new agreement? If the next Chinese government decides not to honor this future legacy agreement, what could Canada do, besides negotiate a new agreement? It seems inefficient to make secret agreements that can be rescinded by massive public opposition once the agreements are made public. Optimistic locking in databases only works when the chance of a conflicting lock is low.
  - josho 12y ago
    Wow. I checked CBC, CCTV, and globe and mail myself before commenting and didn't see anything. After your comment I double checked and saw it buried at the bottom of the politics page. Sadly, the CBC doesn't provide any insight except for the usual quotes from political parties. CTV is marginally better. But the real question is where do you go for real journalism in this country?
    - mmphosis 12y ago
      "Real" journalism is difficult to find. Maybe look locally, internationally, and places that you've not been before. http://thetyee.ca/ http://thetyee.ca/ http://www.democracynow.org/ http://www.democracynow.org/ http://rt.com/ http://rt.com/ http://english.aljazeera.net/ http://english.aljazeera.net/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ http://dissidentvoice.org/ http://dissidentvoice.org/ Some excellent journalists have moved from CBC to Al Jazeera. And, I note that many former American news anchors can be found on RT. Please do your own research, and take everything with a grain of salt. Let me know what you find out.

grossemarde 12y ago

Leaked more than a month ago in Germany by Tagesschau http://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/ceta-101.html http://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/ceta-101.html

jk4930 12y ago
But incomplete. And they reduced the number of the available documents.

uokyas 12y ago

What does that mean to DRM laws, and Patent laws in the EU. What does trade have to do with those laws?? Every country in EU needs to enforce it? Has it come to that already?

walterbell 12y ago
More info here, http://stopttip.net/data-security-internet-freedom/ http://stopttip.net/data-security-internet-freedom/

walterbell 12y ago

ComputerWorld UK is summarizing TTIP news, a live blog of the slow but steady transition from nation state to corporate lawsuits. The first tier of governance will be done by lawsuit and whatever is left can be done by national governments. There are implications for all startups: should your incumbent competitor be granted the ability to sue a national government and influence your ability to compete in a geographical market? A single lawsuit can affect multiple industries, e.g. by changing insurance requirements. For the low low price of one lawsuit, a deep-pocketed competitor can influence multiple nation states and industries, by setting new trans-national "legal" precedent. http://www.computerworlduk.com/blogs/open-enterprise/ttip-updates--the-glyn-moody-blogs-3569438/ http://www.computerworlduk.com/blogs/open-enterprise/ttip-up... "However, one thing we have learned is that those behind unbalanced laws like SOPA and treaties like ACTA, never give up. If they fail with one, they just try again with another. And so it turns out in the wake of ACTA's demise. We are now witnessing exactly the same secretive approach being applied to TTIP - the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership – originally known as TAFTA, the Transatlantic Free Trade Agreement." On a positive note, please share the CC-licensed A2K (Access to Knowledge) Handbook (pdf), http://a2knetwork.org/handbook http://a2knetwork.org/handbook & http://a2knetwork.org/book http://a2knetwork.org/book "Access to Knowledge (A2K) is the umbrella term for a movement that aims to create more equitable public access to the products of human culture and learning. The ultimate objective of the movement is to create a world in which educational and cultural works are accessible to all, and in which consumers and creators alike participate in a vibrant ecosystem of innovation and creativity."

walterbell 12y ago

This story was pushed off the front page by three stories that had steadily declined to page 4 over several hours, then suddenly jumped to the front page in 5 minutes. http://hnrankings.info/8311860,8312295,8312249,8312411/ http://hnrankings.info/8311860,8312295,8312249,8312411/ #162 -> #25 Server Migration with Zero Downtime #135 -> #11 Show HN: Pup – A command line HTML parser #127 -> #23 The Impossible Star Edit: HN moderator response in this thread, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8313505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8313505