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Good. We need to ramp down H-1B - there are plenty of out-of-work STEM majors here, there is no need for importing more foreign workers.

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colmvp 12y ago
> there are plenty of out-of-work STEM majors here, there is no need for importing more foreign workers. Is there a citation for that?
- dude3 12y ago
  First, read this post and understand. If there was a true shortage, wages would be increasing. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-19/only-rich-know-wage-gains-with-no-raises-for-u-s-workers.html#disqus_thread http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-19/only-rich-know-wage...
  - yincrash 12y ago
    That is across all fields. Do you have a citation that they are not increasing in STEM positions? I would argue that fast rising housing prices in both NY and SF are in part due to fast rising salaries of tech jobs in both areas.
- dude3 12y ago
  First, read this post and understand. If there was a true shortage, wages would be increasing. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-19/only-rich-know-wage-gains-with-no-raises-for-u-s-workers.html#disqus_thread http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-19/only-rich-know-wage...
arenaninja 12y ago
I remember my commencement ceremony by a C-level Sun executive, where he rambled to a class of 600 graduating from STEM fields about the need for more H-1B workers. You could hear the crickets chirping, as Sun never sent a rep to any career fair, and most of us did not have a job offer lined up
fleitz 12y ago
One of the things I like about working in tech is the absence of the "they terk ur gerbs" type crap. If you're out performed by an H1B you need to step up your game not worry about H1Bs. If you don't have H1Bs they will just out compete you from another country. Did you notice the manufacturing sector leave? Turns out working hard is a bit more important the graduating from a prestigious school. How does one have a STEM degree and not have a job? Do they not know about craigslist? Career fairs? Recruiters? elance? etc? Are they somehow physically disabled that prevents them from taking a day labour job? Are they unable to find their library and open a book on Javascript? Ruby? Python? C? C++? UNIX? TCP/IP? HTTP? Perhaps the real reason they do not have a job is that they feel work is 'beneath' them. Like how can you not find a job... I have a high school education and I get called twice a day, in Vancouver not SF...
- mahyarm 12y ago
  Canadian's have TN visas, which sidestep the H1-B fiasco. Why haven't you tried out Seattle yet? Usually it's higher pay and everything is cheaper.
  - fleitz 12y ago
    No degree, no TN visa.
  - foobarqux 12y ago
    TN isn't dual intent.
- chickenfeet 12y ago
  Out-performed? How about it being cheaper for companies to hire and maintain... It's not about quality at all, it's about saving money.
  - fleitz 12y ago
    Hiring the cheapest programmers available generally doesn't work out well, especially if they are cheap and experienced. Holding your nose up high and refusing to work for the prevailing wage generally doesn't work well, get a job, do something awesome for low pay, leverage that into something that pays well. While most people were paying thousands of dollars a year going to school I was getting paid to learn tech working a shitty tech support job. While most of my colleagues were graduating, I was buying my first house at 22. (Yes, as tech support pay grade, no startup millions). Before tech support I was working at a warehouse stacking boxes and doing other day labour. Don't complain about H1Bs work harder, faster, and smarter than them. An H1B is no different than any other motivated competitor.

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colmvp 12y ago

> there are plenty of out-of-work STEM majors here, there is no need for importing more foreign workers. Is there a citation for that?

dude3 12y ago
First, read this post and understand. If there was a true shortage, wages would be increasing. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-19/only-rich-know-wage-gains-with-no-raises-for-u-s-workers.html#disqus_thread http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-19/only-rich-know-wage...
- yincrash 12y ago
  That is across all fields. Do you have a citation that they are not increasing in STEM positions? I would argue that fast rising housing prices in both NY and SF are in part due to fast rising salaries of tech jobs in both areas.
dude3 12y ago
First, read this post and understand. If there was a true shortage, wages would be increasing. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-19/only-rich-know-wage-gains-with-no-raises-for-u-s-workers.html#disqus_thread http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-19/only-rich-know-wage...

arenaninja 12y ago

I remember my commencement ceremony by a C-level Sun executive, where he rambled to a class of 600 graduating from STEM fields about the need for more H-1B workers. You could hear the crickets chirping, as Sun never sent a rep to any career fair, and most of us did not have a job offer lined up

fleitz 12y ago

One of the things I like about working in tech is the absence of the "they terk ur gerbs" type crap. If you're out performed by an H1B you need to step up your game not worry about H1Bs. If you don't have H1Bs they will just out compete you from another country. Did you notice the manufacturing sector leave? Turns out working hard is a bit more important the graduating from a prestigious school. How does one have a STEM degree and not have a job? Do they not know about craigslist? Career fairs? Recruiters? elance? etc? Are they somehow physically disabled that prevents them from taking a day labour job? Are they unable to find their library and open a book on Javascript? Ruby? Python? C? C++? UNIX? TCP/IP? HTTP? Perhaps the real reason they do not have a job is that they feel work is 'beneath' them. Like how can you not find a job... I have a high school education and I get called twice a day, in Vancouver not SF...

mahyarm 12y ago
Canadian's have TN visas, which sidestep the H1-B fiasco. Why haven't you tried out Seattle yet? Usually it's higher pay and everything is cheaper.
- fleitz 12y ago
  No degree, no TN visa.
- foobarqux 12y ago
  TN isn't dual intent.
chickenfeet 12y ago
Out-performed? How about it being cheaper for companies to hire and maintain... It's not about quality at all, it's about saving money.
- fleitz 12y ago
  Hiring the cheapest programmers available generally doesn't work out well, especially if they are cheap and experienced. Holding your nose up high and refusing to work for the prevailing wage generally doesn't work well, get a job, do something awesome for low pay, leverage that into something that pays well. While most people were paying thousands of dollars a year going to school I was getting paid to learn tech working a shitty tech support job. While most of my colleagues were graduating, I was buying my first house at 22. (Yes, as tech support pay grade, no startup millions). Before tech support I was working at a warehouse stacking boxes and doing other day labour. Don't complain about H1Bs work harder, faster, and smarter than them. An H1B is no different than any other motivated competitor.