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Panning around randomly I stumbled on this curious little area: http://i.imgur.com/42VLDN4.png http://i.imgur.com/42VLDN4.png I thought whoa that's cool, a den

Panning around randomly I stumbled on this curious little area: http://i.imgur.com/42VLDN4.png http://i.imgur.com/42VLDN4.png I thought whoa that's cool, a dense little community of minorities. Turns out: https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.6908437,-86.4131159,15z https://www.google.ca/maps/@39.6908437,-86.4131159,15z Damn it.

moggflunkies 12y ago
LOL
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Padding 12y ago
That's mean :P
kpennell 12y ago
Nice find. Interesting to see an effect of the drug war manifested on a map.
- rayiner 12y ago
  That's a state institution, and only 17% of state prisoners are there for a drug offenses. 83% of those dots are in for something else. There is some sort of weird need for certain groups of people to ascribe all crime to the drug war. I assume its a result of their holding worldviews incompatible with the fact that the world has lots of bad, antisocial, people.
  - dragonwriter 12y ago
    > That's a state institution, and only 17% of state prisoners are there for a drug offense. That doesn't mean that only 17% are there because of the drug war. > There is some sort of weird need for certain groups of people to pretend that crime only happens because of the drug war. Perhaps, but that's no more weird than the weird need for certain groups of people to minimize the impact of the drug war, e.g., by pretending that the only people who are imprison because of the drug war are those convicted of drug offenses. Prosecutions conducted as part of the war on drugs aren't all "drug offenses" any more than prosecutions conducted as part of Prohibition were all liquor offenses.
    - Houshalter 12y ago
      What are they being prosecuted for then?
      - curun1r 12y ago
        I hope you're being snarky, because it's well documented and should be completely obvious. Whenever you have a black market economy where product is sold for large multiples of its production costs, it will inevitably be accompanied by violence. And when substances are expensive and addictive, people will steal to support their addictions. And when kids grow up without parents, either because they're in jail, addicts unfit to parent or dead from drug-related violence, they're much more likely to run afoul of the law as adults. There's a ton of reasons why someone would be in jail for a reason related to the WoD without their crime being classified as a drug offense.
        Houshalter 12y ago
        I really doubt a majority of prisoners are in there for black market violence. And you can't blame addiction problems on the drug war, there would be just as many addicts if not more without it.
        curun1r 12y ago
        > And you can't blame addiction problems on the drug war, there would be just as many addicts if not more without it. You can't blame addiction problems on the drug war any more than you can prevent them with a drug war. They're inevitable. But you can treat them as what they truly are, medical problems, rather than criminal acts. You need look no further than the two major legal drugs in our society to see how how few people are stealing or committing acts of violence to support their alcohol or tobacco addictions. But if you rewind 90ish years, you'll see the same violence you see now with illegal drugs surrounding the then-illegal alcohol. We can thank congress for giving us the 18th and 21st amendments because that period showed us the difference between a legal, regulated market for drugs and a black market. People are going to use drugs whether they're illegal or not. And that means other people will sell them those drugs, no matter what laws we put in place. Faced with that eventuality, we need to structure society to minimize the damage that's caused by this. Criminalizing substances manifestly does not meet this goal. It's asinine to suggest that it hasn't multiplied our prison population many times over.
  - aetherson 12y ago
    A fair amount of crime which is not narrowly "drug crime" is at least partially ascribable to the drug war. In decreasing order of being "drug caused," we have: 1. Violence over territory from drug dealers can lead to various violence-related charges. 2. Drug addicts may commit monetary crimes in order to pay for drugs. 3. The general mess that the black market drug trade makes of some neighborhoods creates an environment in which young people feel they have few legitimate options and turn to crime. Which isn't of course to say that all crime is ascribable to the drug war. But certainly it's more crime than what you'd narrowly call "drug offenses" like possession, dealing, trafficking, or laundering the proceeds.
    - dragonwriter 12y ago
      Also consider that some imprisonment may be attributable to the drug war even if the crime itself is not. Crime does not inevitably lead to imprisonment, or even prosecution -- whether a crime leads to prosecution, and what kind of punishment is sought, doesn't just depend on the crime itself, or whether the prosecutor can prove it, but also on what effect the prosecutor wants to have on the potential target of prosecution. If someone is a target of law enforcement because of the drug war, but the crime they can make stick is something other than drug-related that they wouldn't have bothered to prosecute in otherwise similar circumstances were it not for the attention given that target in the drug war, they aren't always going to say "oh well, let's not prosecute until we can gather sufficient evidence of a drug offense."
      - rayiner 12y ago
        I think the opposite situation is more common, in fact. Drug offenses are easy to prove and invoke federal jurisdiction. That makes it more likely for someone to be prosecuted and incarcerated on a drug offense when in reality they were of interest to the police for other reasons.
    - rayiner 12y ago
      I think the kinds of people who engage in gang violence or monetary crimes over drugs fit into the category of "bad, antisocial" people I mentioned. Society would have to deal with their proclivities whether or not their energies were directed towards illegal drugs or something else.
Shivetya 12y ago
fortunately not all will turn out to be correctional facilities, a few turn out to be government housing of the older high rise or apartment style. There a few high density housing areas near Atlanta that are all one race or another, like the old ethnic neighborhoods of big Northern cities.

moggflunkies 12y ago

LOL

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Padding 12y ago

That's mean :P

kpennell 12y ago

Nice find. Interesting to see an effect of the drug war manifested on a map.

rayiner 12y ago
That's a state institution, and only 17% of state prisoners are there for a drug offenses. 83% of those dots are in for something else. There is some sort of weird need for certain groups of people to ascribe all crime to the drug war. I assume its a result of their holding worldviews incompatible with the fact that the world has lots of bad, antisocial, people.
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > That's a state institution, and only 17% of state prisoners are there for a drug offense. That doesn't mean that only 17% are there because of the drug war. > There is some sort of weird need for certain groups of people to pretend that crime only happens because of the drug war. Perhaps, but that's no more weird than the weird need for certain groups of people to minimize the impact of the drug war, e.g., by pretending that the only people who are imprison because of the drug war are those convicted of drug offenses. Prosecutions conducted as part of the war on drugs aren't all "drug offenses" any more than prosecutions conducted as part of Prohibition were all liquor offenses.
  - Houshalter 12y ago
    What are they being prosecuted for then?
    - curun1r 12y ago
      I hope you're being snarky, because it's well documented and should be completely obvious. Whenever you have a black market economy where product is sold for large multiples of its production costs, it will inevitably be accompanied by violence. And when substances are expensive and addictive, people will steal to support their addictions. And when kids grow up without parents, either because they're in jail, addicts unfit to parent or dead from drug-related violence, they're much more likely to run afoul of the law as adults. There's a ton of reasons why someone would be in jail for a reason related to the WoD without their crime being classified as a drug offense.
      - Houshalter 12y ago
        I really doubt a majority of prisoners are in there for black market violence. And you can't blame addiction problems on the drug war, there would be just as many addicts if not more without it.
        curun1r 12y ago
        > And you can't blame addiction problems on the drug war, there would be just as many addicts if not more without it. You can't blame addiction problems on the drug war any more than you can prevent them with a drug war. They're inevitable. But you can treat them as what they truly are, medical problems, rather than criminal acts. You need look no further than the two major legal drugs in our society to see how how few people are stealing or committing acts of violence to support their alcohol or tobacco addictions. But if you rewind 90ish years, you'll see the same violence you see now with illegal drugs surrounding the then-illegal alcohol. We can thank congress for giving us the 18th and 21st amendments because that period showed us the difference between a legal, regulated market for drugs and a black market. People are going to use drugs whether they're illegal or not. And that means other people will sell them those drugs, no matter what laws we put in place. Faced with that eventuality, we need to structure society to minimize the damage that's caused by this. Criminalizing substances manifestly does not meet this goal. It's asinine to suggest that it hasn't multiplied our prison population many times over.
- aetherson 12y ago
  A fair amount of crime which is not narrowly "drug crime" is at least partially ascribable to the drug war. In decreasing order of being "drug caused," we have: 1. Violence over territory from drug dealers can lead to various violence-related charges. 2. Drug addicts may commit monetary crimes in order to pay for drugs. 3. The general mess that the black market drug trade makes of some neighborhoods creates an environment in which young people feel they have few legitimate options and turn to crime. Which isn't of course to say that all crime is ascribable to the drug war. But certainly it's more crime than what you'd narrowly call "drug offenses" like possession, dealing, trafficking, or laundering the proceeds.
  - dragonwriter 12y ago
    Also consider that some imprisonment may be attributable to the drug war even if the crime itself is not. Crime does not inevitably lead to imprisonment, or even prosecution -- whether a crime leads to prosecution, and what kind of punishment is sought, doesn't just depend on the crime itself, or whether the prosecutor can prove it, but also on what effect the prosecutor wants to have on the potential target of prosecution. If someone is a target of law enforcement because of the drug war, but the crime they can make stick is something other than drug-related that they wouldn't have bothered to prosecute in otherwise similar circumstances were it not for the attention given that target in the drug war, they aren't always going to say "oh well, let's not prosecute until we can gather sufficient evidence of a drug offense."
    - rayiner 12y ago
      I think the opposite situation is more common, in fact. Drug offenses are easy to prove and invoke federal jurisdiction. That makes it more likely for someone to be prosecuted and incarcerated on a drug offense when in reality they were of interest to the police for other reasons.
  - rayiner 12y ago
    I think the kinds of people who engage in gang violence or monetary crimes over drugs fit into the category of "bad, antisocial" people I mentioned. Society would have to deal with their proclivities whether or not their energies were directed towards illegal drugs or something else.

Shivetya 12y ago

fortunately not all will turn out to be correctional facilities, a few turn out to be government housing of the older high rise or apartment style. There a few high density housing areas near Atlanta that are all one race or another, like the old ethnic neighborhoods of big Northern cities.