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>> However it's important to keep in mind that injustices occur both ways, and forming blanket statements is a great way to end up just talking past one another

>> However it's important to keep in mind that injustices occur both ways, and forming blanket statements is a great way to end up just talking past one another. That's not true. Did you look at the New York Times article? The prosecution rate of motorists who kill cyclists in non-hit-and-run crashes is close to 0. In several major cities, it is actually 0. So no, the injustices do not go both ways.

mindslight 12y ago
Your point does not refute what I said. It shows that no drivers have been criminally blamed, ruling out one kind of injustice against drivers. Other injustices, such as undeserved wrongful death/bodily injury compensation may have occurred. Regardless, OP isn't normally this obtuse. He's clearly reacting to a perceived injustice, even if it does not exist. Please read my above comment again and try to understand why I wrote it.
- bane 12y ago
  Actually if you want to take that article literally it means that in almost every case a cyclist is killed it's their fault. Demonstrating once again that cyclists presume everybody else's area, even to the point of danger to themselves.
  - mindslight 12y ago
    That's incorrect. At the most, you could only infer that it wasn't legally the driver's fault. There's a huge middle ground where fault won't be pinned on either side.
    - bane 12y ago
      No, you're right. I was irritated when I wrote the above.
  - msandford 12y ago
    > Actually if you want to take that article literally it means that in almost every case a cyclist is killed it's their fault. Right, because all police officers and DAs and everyone is 100% unbiased in all circumstances no matter what? Also from the article: "Take Sgt. Richard Ernst of the San Francisco Police Department, who confronted people holding a memorial at the scene of Ms. Le Moullac’s death. Parking his squad car in the bike lane, forcing other cyclists into the very traffic that killed Ms. Le Moullac, Sergeant Ernst berated those gathered, according to witnesses, and insisted that Ms. Le Moullac had been at fault. Days earlier, the department had told cycling activists that it had been unable to find surveillance footage of the crash. Provoked by Sergeant Ernst, people at the memorial decided to look for themselves. It took them all of 10 minutes to find an auto shop nearby with a camera that had footage of the incident. The police eventually admitted that the truck driver was at fault, but they still have not pressed charges." Truck runs over and kills woman. Cops don't cite or charge truck driver, nor do they investigate. Friends do investigate, turns out the driver was at fault. Still no charges by the DA. Clearly there is some bias.
    - bane 12y ago
      No, you're right. I was irritated when I wrote the above.

mindslight 12y ago

Your point does not refute what I said. It shows that no drivers have been criminally blamed, ruling out one kind of injustice against drivers. Other injustices, such as undeserved wrongful death/bodily injury compensation may have occurred. Regardless, OP isn't normally this obtuse. He's clearly reacting to a perceived injustice, even if it does not exist. Please read my above comment again and try to understand why I wrote it.

bane 12y ago
Actually if you want to take that article literally it means that in almost every case a cyclist is killed it's their fault. Demonstrating once again that cyclists presume everybody else's area, even to the point of danger to themselves.
- mindslight 12y ago
  That's incorrect. At the most, you could only infer that it wasn't legally the driver's fault. There's a huge middle ground where fault won't be pinned on either side.
  - bane 12y ago
    No, you're right. I was irritated when I wrote the above.
- msandford 12y ago
  > Actually if you want to take that article literally it means that in almost every case a cyclist is killed it's their fault. Right, because all police officers and DAs and everyone is 100% unbiased in all circumstances no matter what? Also from the article: "Take Sgt. Richard Ernst of the San Francisco Police Department, who confronted people holding a memorial at the scene of Ms. Le Moullac’s death. Parking his squad car in the bike lane, forcing other cyclists into the very traffic that killed Ms. Le Moullac, Sergeant Ernst berated those gathered, according to witnesses, and insisted that Ms. Le Moullac had been at fault. Days earlier, the department had told cycling activists that it had been unable to find surveillance footage of the crash. Provoked by Sergeant Ernst, people at the memorial decided to look for themselves. It took them all of 10 minutes to find an auto shop nearby with a camera that had footage of the incident. The police eventually admitted that the truck driver was at fault, but they still have not pressed charges." Truck runs over and kills woman. Cops don't cite or charge truck driver, nor do they investigate. Friends do investigate, turns out the driver was at fault. Still no charges by the DA. Clearly there is some bias.
  - bane 12y ago
    No, you're right. I was irritated when I wrote the above.