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> “If you look closely at the numbers, what you see is the higher the gender equality, the higher the birthrate,” I think that's exactly backwards. Afghanistan

> “If you look closely at the numbers, what you see is the higher the gender equality, the higher the birthrate,” I think that's exactly backwards. Afghanistan has the highest birthrate. The less gender equality, the higher the birthrate. You get astronomical birthrates in the Hasidim and Islamic parts of Africa where women hold a subservient place to their husbands and have a constrained gender role. The Nazis had some success raising the birthrate by promoting and elevating stay-at-home motherhood, not by promoting equality. I think there's a strong case to be made that banning women from colleges and professions would dramatically raise the birthrate. I'm not advocating this, I'm just saying it's what the data suggests. The more professional status is available to women the less they reproduce. This is very clear all over the world across cultures.

TulliusCicero 12y ago
Nah, you can fix the sentence by adding what was unspoken but assumed: > "If you look closely at the numbers, what you see is that in developed countries, the higher the gender equality, the higher the birthrate,”
- a8da6b0c91d 12y ago
  It's so obviously not true between developed countries and across time. The more traditional the gender roles (opposite of "equality") the higher the birth rate. I would have to see the data before I even believed the claim that within an industrialized nation more "equal" couples have more kids. I highly doubt it.
informatimago 12y ago
On the other hand, we could imagine, given the kind of occupations we can dedicate ourselves to productively nowadays, that the "professionnal" and economic environments wouldn't be detrimental to the birth rate and the families. Basically, if you work not because you need it, but because you have something to contribute, you should be able to do that while raising a family at the same time. Ie. I think that citizen revenue would help greatly in this aspect.
OneOneOneOne 12y ago
I think a number of these countries practice polygamy widely. Polygamous societies tend to have a higher birthrate.

TulliusCicero 12y ago

Nah, you can fix the sentence by adding what was unspoken but assumed: > "If you look closely at the numbers, what you see is that in developed countries, the higher the gender equality, the higher the birthrate,”

a8da6b0c91d 12y ago
It's so obviously not true between developed countries and across time. The more traditional the gender roles (opposite of "equality") the higher the birth rate. I would have to see the data before I even believed the claim that within an industrialized nation more "equal" couples have more kids. I highly doubt it.

informatimago 12y ago

On the other hand, we could imagine, given the kind of occupations we can dedicate ourselves to productively nowadays, that the "professionnal" and economic environments wouldn't be detrimental to the birth rate and the families. Basically, if you work not because you need it, but because you have something to contribute, you should be able to do that while raising a family at the same time. Ie. I think that citizen revenue would help greatly in this aspect.

OneOneOneOne 12y ago

I think a number of these countries practice polygamy widely. Polygamous societies tend to have a higher birthrate.