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> Your freedom of speech is not a right on private websites Do we think that the principle of freedom of speech is a good thing? And if so, shouldn't we attem
by IvyMike 12y ago
> Your freedom of speech is not a right on private websites
Do we think that the principle of freedom of speech is a good thing? And if so, shouldn't we attempt to make it available even in situations in which we are not compelled by law?
HN takes a very active role in curating discussions, and PG has made it clear why--HN serves a very specific purpose and needs to be kept on track. Reddit, on the other hand, seeks to be the "digital commons", and a broad allowance for speech is appropriate there.
- jacquesm 12y agoWell, apparently the digital commons ends where the risk of impending lawsuits affects the bottom line. So much for that principle.
- IvyMike 12y agoIs failing to comply with the DMCA and taking grave financial harm a reasonable thing for them to do? I cannot see how that would work.
- jacquesm 12y agoIndeed it isn't and so you can conclude that websites operate within a triangle of desires, laws and economics. If you try to transcend any of the three one of the other two will bite you.
- danudey 12y agoYour rights end at the point where you're causing harm to others. All freedoms, including freedom of speech, need to have limits or the strong and privileged will run roughshod over the weak or incapable. If you're arguing that we should protect the freedom of speech of people who went ridiculously far out of their way to continue to share illegally obtained, private pictures, and then blame the victims for everything that's happened to them, I can't agree.
- minikites 12y agoSo then why does Reddit censor some information: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/16/3514232/reddit-ceo-yishan-wong-leak-memo-violentacrez-doxxing-ban http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/16/3514232/reddit-ceo-yishan... > Last week, that very same Gawker unmasked one of Reddit's most unsavory trolls, posting his real identity for all to see. Allegedly, it cost Violentacrez his job. For Reddit, the stories were serious offenses: the site does not permit posting the personal information of its users (aka "doxxing"). However, Reddit's moderators took the rules a step further, attempting a site-wide ban against the Gawker network, and banning a user and even one fellow moderator who spoke out against such practices. but not take down the private celebrity photos?
- jacquesm 12y agoWhy is everybody so upset about the celebrity photos in the first place? Far worse than that happens on reddit 24/7, and the admins do absolutely nothing to protect the victims. But if it is one of 'reddits own' the banhammer can be brought down hard enough.
- minikites 12y agoI agree, but the celebrity photos incident is famous outside of Reddit so it's a good discussion point to use as a bridge to the other reprehensible sections of Reddit to someone unfamiliar with Reddit.