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Thanks. So the exchange really are messing with price-time priority in exchange for cash? Wow ... But then why would any non-flasher ever place a single order
by quant18 17y ago
Thanks. So the exchange really are messing with price-time priority in exchange for cash? Wow ...
But then why would any non-flasher ever place a single order on these exchanges? Couldn't a boycott could solve this problem without any legislation --- they could just go to an alternative venue which wasn't selling them out in exchange for more fees?
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Appendix: Bear with me while I think out loud so anyone can point out mistakes I'm making.
Time n-1, Order #0: Some seller posts an offer of size N > 5000 at $21.00. (It has to be $21.00, otherwise Order #2 would have nothing to buy at that price).
Time n, Order #1: Mutual fund sends buy 5000 "at market" (i.e. fill me at any price from here to the moon).
Time n+1, Order #2: Would-be flasher sends buy N at $21.00.
Time n+2, Order #3: Would-be flasher sends sell 5000 at $21.01 (and prays that no other flasher beats him to it).
Time n+3: Repeat from time n-1.
Under normal price-time priority, #1 matches #0, #2 matches #0 and becomes best bid, #3 doesn't match anything, and your new market is $21.00 / .01. The total traded volume is N. (The would-be flasher is now long N - 5000 and has to trade out at a loss of fees + stamp duty, so the first time around the total traded volume is 2N - 1, but that doesn't happen again: he either stops doing this shit or goes out of business).
With "flash trading", #2 matches #0 (despite #1 having time priority) and #3 matches #1 (despite not even being in the market at the time #1 arrived). The total traded volume is N + 5000. The exchange earns some extra fees, the flasher gets the arbitrage profits, the mutual fund gets screwed, and the sellers (#0) don't care either way because they were willing to trade at $21.00 all along. Weird.
- frig 17y agoYeah, we're getting ever closer to the era in which: - you step out to home depot to buy a $20 hammer - when you get there "The Flash" (of dc comics fame) figures out you're looking to buy a hammer and buys all the $20 hammers - he leaves a post-it note saying "if you want a hammer meet me in aisle 7" - you get there and he offers to sell you a $20 hammer for $21 - either you buy it or you don't; once you've made your decision he returns either (N-1) or (N) hammers back to the store (30 day return policy and all that) - if you head over to lowe's instead well he is "The Flash" Not an exact metaphor for "flash trading" (as sketched it's riskless) but it's imho a relevant thought experiment. At the individual level the winners and losers are pretty obvious. At the systemic level it's unclear any actual efficiency is gained; differentiating between actual "efficiency gains" and "red queen" scenarios is tricky.
- gaius 17y agoBecause the truth is that this is business and all the people who aren't in on the flash would be if they could afford to be/had the expertise in-house.