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Yep, we damn need a bit of more competition within bigs, right now seems just between Google and Mozilla (for the type of language).

by DAddYE 12y ago

riffraff 12y ago
I think at this point we also have facebook embracing D ?
pjmlp 12y ago
What competition?!? Until either of them support their languages on their respective OSs there isn't any competition.
- 72deluxe 12y ago
  I think without the supporting runtime libraries also being open-source, there isn't any point in open-sourcing the language is there? I mean, look at GNUStep. Not widespread adoption.
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    Agreed. I gave up following GNUStep back in 2003, the last time I used WindowMaker as my window manager.
    - 72deluxe 12y ago
      Fond memories. I used to use WindowMaker on my old RH 6.2 system (or was it 7?), maybe even Fedora 1. But I never understood the dock - I was expecting a Windows-style task bar and the dock really isn't that. The fact that it sat beneath other windows meant you had to constantly shift windows to get to it, which I found frustrating. Likely a configuration option? It probably runs excellently on modern hardware, albeit with no GPU acceleration or anything to reduce main CPU cycles.
  - threeseed 12y ago
    Actually there is. One of the big selling points of Go is its ability to produce self contained binaries. Swift would share this but also be a language that is more full featured. GNUStep failure is more to do with Objective-C being such an odd language for most people.
    - pjmlp 12y ago
      All compilers that produce native code are capable of producing static executables and libraries. This is only a selling point to developers that mix language with implementation, or never used a native code compiler.
CmonDev 12y ago
C# is in front of all three in mobile space (it compiles to native of course). C# is the only language that is both modern and spans all major mobile platforms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xamarin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xamarin
- josteink 12y ago
  Sure. But Xamarin is hardly open-source, and what OP was looking for was a open-sourced tool-chain & stack for mobile development.
  - jacobbudin 12y ago
    You can't even build Xamarin's sample project without demoing a commercial license, because the sample project is falls outside the app size restriction.
- zak_mc_kracken 12y ago
  Considering the minuscule market share that Windows Mobile currently has, C# is close to nonexistent on mobile as of today.
  - CmonDev 12y ago
    Unity3d alone completely invalidates this claim.
    - mnem 12y ago
      Are there many apps written in Unity? Or is it only games?
      - _random_ 12y ago
        Mostly games which are a kind of apps. And games are the most popular apps, e.g.: http://www.statista.com/statistics/270291/popular-categories-in-the-app-store http://www.statista.com/statistics/270291/popular-categories....

Yep, we damn need a bit of more competition within bigs, right now seems just between Google and Mozilla (for the type of language).

by DAddYE 12y ago

Yep, we damn need a bit of more competition within bigs, right now seems just between Google and Mozilla (for the type of language).

riffraff 12y ago

I think at this point we also have facebook embracing D ?

pjmlp 12y ago

What competition?!? Until either of them support their languages on their respective OSs there isn't any competition.

72deluxe 12y ago
I think without the supporting runtime libraries also being open-source, there isn't any point in open-sourcing the language is there? I mean, look at GNUStep. Not widespread adoption.
- pjmlp 12y ago
  Agreed. I gave up following GNUStep back in 2003, the last time I used WindowMaker as my window manager.
  - 72deluxe 12y ago
    Fond memories. I used to use WindowMaker on my old RH 6.2 system (or was it 7?), maybe even Fedora 1. But I never understood the dock - I was expecting a Windows-style task bar and the dock really isn't that. The fact that it sat beneath other windows meant you had to constantly shift windows to get to it, which I found frustrating. Likely a configuration option? It probably runs excellently on modern hardware, albeit with no GPU acceleration or anything to reduce main CPU cycles.
- threeseed 12y ago
  Actually there is. One of the big selling points of Go is its ability to produce self contained binaries. Swift would share this but also be a language that is more full featured. GNUStep failure is more to do with Objective-C being such an odd language for most people.
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    All compilers that produce native code are capable of producing static executables and libraries. This is only a selling point to developers that mix language with implementation, or never used a native code compiler.

CmonDev 12y ago

C# is in front of all three in mobile space (it compiles to native of course). C# is the only language that is both modern and spans all major mobile platforms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xamarin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xamarin

josteink 12y ago
Sure. But Xamarin is hardly open-source, and what OP was looking for was a open-sourced tool-chain & stack for mobile development.
- jacobbudin 12y ago
  You can't even build Xamarin's sample project without demoing a commercial license, because the sample project is falls outside the app size restriction.
zak_mc_kracken 12y ago
Considering the minuscule market share that Windows Mobile currently has, C# is close to nonexistent on mobile as of today.
- CmonDev 12y ago
  Unity3d alone completely invalidates this claim.
  - mnem 12y ago
    Are there many apps written in Unity? Or is it only games?
    - _random_ 12y ago
      Mostly games which are a kind of apps. And games are the most popular apps, e.g.: http://www.statista.com/statistics/270291/popular-categories-in-the-app-store http://www.statista.com/statistics/270291/popular-categories....