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I think the poster was trying to say that this article is interesting despite its age, because versioned file systems are still a rare bunch. I would love to u

by 4ad 12y ago

I think the poster was trying to say that this article is interesting despite its age, because versioned file systems are still a rare bunch. I would love to use ZFS everywhere, but sadly I use it almost nowhere. I think that was also parent's point. Other than that, even considering snapshotted filesystems, I still think venti model is worth discussing because the model is just so different. No deletion, and it doesn't expose a filesystem-like layer. It exposes a much simpler and deeper abstraction.

ChuckMcM 12y ago
Interesting data point, since nearly all of my computer use is constrained to be in and around home, I use ZFS and WAFL pretty much everywhere, between the filer that I've built and the one I bought. All 'changable' data lives on them so that a system failure can be quickly recovered from. It makes a windows laptop with a small Flash drive a lot more tolerable in my experience. If you could make it possible to use ZFS in one place that you cannot use it today, what would that place be?
- 4ad 12y ago
  The number one reason I don't use ZFS is that I have to use Linux and OS X. My data at home indeed does reside on ZFS, and I also have a few Solaris machines in the cloud, but a huge part of what I have to do, I have to do on Linux. This is not my decision, and usually I can't influence it. ZFS does run on Linux, but it's not by default, so from the perspective of the people I have to work with, it could as well not exist. But you asked me only about a single place; my OS X laptop. After I use Solaris for a while (where I have automatic snapshots), when I come back to OS X I feel so weird that I have to remember that I can't just delete a file and recover it from a snapshot. Also, I've experienced silent data corruption on my laptops; this would be detected by ZFS (unfortunately it wouldn't be solved, as laptops with more than one hard drive are very rare, but with mSATA and a SSD, now there's at least a way on some laptops). I also have to run old versions of Go every day; on Solaris I have versions of binaries from every commit and I can just run them to test something. On OS X is more complicated, I use venti, but since it's not integrated with the filesystem (because FUSE sucks), as on Plan 9, it's more annoying.

by 4ad 12y ago

ChuckMcM 12y ago

Interesting data point, since nearly all of my computer use is constrained to be in and around home, I use ZFS and WAFL pretty much everywhere, between the filer that I've built and the one I bought. All 'changable' data lives on them so that a system failure can be quickly recovered from. It makes a windows laptop with a small Flash drive a lot more tolerable in my experience. If you could make it possible to use ZFS in one place that you cannot use it today, what would that place be?

4ad 12y ago
The number one reason I don't use ZFS is that I have to use Linux and OS X. My data at home indeed does reside on ZFS, and I also have a few Solaris machines in the cloud, but a huge part of what I have to do, I have to do on Linux. This is not my decision, and usually I can't influence it. ZFS does run on Linux, but it's not by default, so from the perspective of the people I have to work with, it could as well not exist. But you asked me only about a single place; my OS X laptop. After I use Solaris for a while (where I have automatic snapshots), when I come back to OS X I feel so weird that I have to remember that I can't just delete a file and recover it from a snapshot. Also, I've experienced silent data corruption on my laptops; this would be detected by ZFS (unfortunately it wouldn't be solved, as laptops with more than one hard drive are very rare, but with mSATA and a SSD, now there's at least a way on some laptops). I also have to run old versions of Go every day; on Solaris I have versions of binaries from every commit and I can just run them to test something. On OS X is more complicated, I use venti, but since it's not integrated with the filesystem (because FUSE sucks), as on Plan 9, it's more annoying.