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Yeah, I've been using AppCode for C++ on OS X for a while, and switched to CLion a week or so ago. CLion doesn't provide much more on OS X other than native sup

by podgib 12y ago

Yeah, I've been using AppCode for C++ on OS X for a while, and switched to CLion a week or so ago. CLion doesn't provide much more on OS X other than native support for CMake projects, but unlike AppCode I can use it on Linux as well.

zura 12y ago
As I remember AppCode is a native (non-java) app, right? CLion requires Java/JDK which is a huge deal breaker for me, for things like IDE.
- podgib 12y ago
  AppCode is a java app as well - it's built on the IntelliJ platform which is java based.
- marcosscriven 12y ago
  Curious why the requiring a Java runtime env for the IDE is a deal breaker?
  - zura 12y ago
    No matter how time passes and how powerful desktop I use - java based software are just slow and bloat (especially IDEs). Even for some Java related work, I preferred to use JCreator (which is the only Java IDE purely written in C++ I believe).
    - marcosscriven 12y ago
      I would say that's more down to IDE bloat, and nothing to do with Java. IDEs are often slow because they end up do huge amounts of indexing/static analysis, and/or have lots of plugins activated.
      - zura 12y ago
        Well, I'm a heavy IDE user. On Linux I was on KDevelop (and now Qt Creator looks nice as well), on Windows mostly MSVC. I can't imagine working productively in vim and similar environments. But I still find Java based software/IDEs to be significantly slower and bloatware.
    - pjmlp 12y ago
      IDEs are resource hogs, not matter which language they are written in. Notwithstanding, I have been an happy IDE user for multiple languages since the early 90's. Programmer editors only can do so much.
      - orcasauce 12y ago
        I know right? That 85M is a real drain on my 16GB of memory on my macbook, amirite? What year are we living in when people nitpick over native performance. Is vim too heavy because pathogen takes ten fractions of a second to load more than pine?
- philjohn 12y ago
  Seems a bit silly to exclude a project just because it's written in Java.

by podgib 12y ago

zura 12y ago

As I remember AppCode is a native (non-java) app, right? CLion requires Java/JDK which is a huge deal breaker for me, for things like IDE.

podgib 12y ago
AppCode is a java app as well - it's built on the IntelliJ platform which is java based.
marcosscriven 12y ago
Curious why the requiring a Java runtime env for the IDE is a deal breaker?
- zura 12y ago
  No matter how time passes and how powerful desktop I use - java based software are just slow and bloat (especially IDEs). Even for some Java related work, I preferred to use JCreator (which is the only Java IDE purely written in C++ I believe).
  - marcosscriven 12y ago
    I would say that's more down to IDE bloat, and nothing to do with Java. IDEs are often slow because they end up do huge amounts of indexing/static analysis, and/or have lots of plugins activated.
    - zura 12y ago
      Well, I'm a heavy IDE user. On Linux I was on KDevelop (and now Qt Creator looks nice as well), on Windows mostly MSVC. I can't imagine working productively in vim and similar environments. But I still find Java based software/IDEs to be significantly slower and bloatware.
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    IDEs are resource hogs, not matter which language they are written in. Notwithstanding, I have been an happy IDE user for multiple languages since the early 90's. Programmer editors only can do so much.
    - orcasauce 12y ago
      I know right? That 85M is a real drain on my 16GB of memory on my macbook, amirite? What year are we living in when people nitpick over native performance. Is vim too heavy because pathogen takes ten fractions of a second to load more than pine?
philjohn 12y ago
Seems a bit silly to exclude a project just because it's written in Java.