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No. hippie != libertarian hippie != hipster

ardit33 12y ago
hippie == live and let live, fuck the man, and peace love and harmony, oh, and lots of drugs and sex, music and drum circles. Sounds like fun, until you hit real adulthood and real responsibilities.
- deciplex 12y ago
  Nothing you listed, in moderation, precludes addressing real responsibilities as a 'real' adult.
- coldtea 12y ago
  >Sounds like fun, until you hit real adulthood and real responsibilities. The whole idea is that it isn't something just for 20-year olds. So the "sounds like fun, until you hit real adulthood and real responsibilities" part is a total misunderstanding of the thing. What did hippie-ism in is mostly human relations and psychology (feuds, jealoushy, power plays, etc) than people reaching some imaginary "real adulthood" that prevents it, and the fact that for a lot of people it was a temporary fad. There have been very active hippies well into their forties and even seventies, and of course there have been older people, and people who spent their whole lives, in lots of similar "outsider" movements who didn't give up.
- justatdotin 12y ago
  peace love and harmony ARE real adult resposibilities.
- return0 12y ago
  That's an easy way to dismiss anything that would change anyone's life anywhere.
- xj9 12y ago
  I know lots of functional, adult hippies. I can't say I'm a "real adult", exactly, because I just turned 23 a couple of weeks ago and I'm really still a young adult. Here's the thing: I'm a hippie, full-on free love, fuck the man, LSD, everything. I own a sheep-skin drum. I'm also the lead software developer at a small marketing company and I do freelance work on the side. I live with two friends who are going through some tough times and I willingly pay all of the bills, I'm like a fucking dad. Maybe you should take another look at what constitutes "real adulthood" and "real responsibilities".
arjie 12y ago
That may be true, but I find it hard to assign any of the meanings of 'hipster' to the word hippie in the article. That and 'hipster' as we know it today wasn't that popular a epithet in 1995. Also, while the whole freedom-from-The-Man thing is common among Libertarians, it is by no means exclusive to them. The ideas espoused in the story could just as well be hippy. With people like Steve Jobs (does not shower, eats only fruits, visits gurus in India) and John Barlow (with the Grateful Dead - commonly related with the hippie movement), we can see that he's aware of what he's talking about. And really, cyberlibertarianism isn't all that far from a hippie version of a world primarily occupied with technology.
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vidarh 12y ago
Maybe you'r not aware who Steward Brand (the author) is. He's the founder of Whole Earth Catalog. Founder of the WELL - one of the first virtual communities in the world. Founder of the Long Now Foundation. He's very much not taking hippie to mean libertarian (at least not in its modern US us) or hipster. He has his "authentic" 60's hippie credentials well in order more than most, and at the same time he was actively involved in, and a first hand witness, to a lot of the early work on the internet, and ran a networked forum/community before most people here were born. For a good account of the links between the early internet pioneers and the hippie / counter-culture movement in the 60's, read "What the dormouse said" by John Markoff.

hippie == live and let live, fuck the man, and peace love and harmony, oh, and lots of drugs and sex, music and drum circles. Sounds like fun, until you hit real adulthood and real responsibilities.

deciplex 12y ago
Nothing you listed, in moderation, precludes addressing real responsibilities as a 'real' adult.
coldtea 12y ago
>Sounds like fun, until you hit real adulthood and real responsibilities. The whole idea is that it isn't something just for 20-year olds. So the "sounds like fun, until you hit real adulthood and real responsibilities" part is a total misunderstanding of the thing. What did hippie-ism in is mostly human relations and psychology (feuds, jealoushy, power plays, etc) than people reaching some imaginary "real adulthood" that prevents it, and the fact that for a lot of people it was a temporary fad. There have been very active hippies well into their forties and even seventies, and of course there have been older people, and people who spent their whole lives, in lots of similar "outsider" movements who didn't give up.
justatdotin 12y ago
peace love and harmony ARE real adult resposibilities.
return0 12y ago
That's an easy way to dismiss anything that would change anyone's life anywhere.
xj9 12y ago
I know lots of functional, adult hippies. I can't say I'm a "real adult", exactly, because I just turned 23 a couple of weeks ago and I'm really still a young adult. Here's the thing: I'm a hippie, full-on free love, fuck the man, LSD, everything. I own a sheep-skin drum. I'm also the lead software developer at a small marketing company and I do freelance work on the side. I live with two friends who are going through some tough times and I willingly pay all of the bills, I'm like a fucking dad. Maybe you should take another look at what constitutes "real adulthood" and "real responsibilities".

arjie 12y ago

That may be true, but I find it hard to assign any of the meanings of 'hipster' to the word hippie in the article. That and 'hipster' as we know it today wasn't that popular a epithet in 1995. Also, while the whole freedom-from-The-Man thing is common among Libertarians, it is by no means exclusive to them. The ideas espoused in the story could just as well be hippy. With people like Steve Jobs (does not shower, eats only fruits, visits gurus in India) and John Barlow (with the Grateful Dead - commonly related with the hippie movement), we can see that he's aware of what he's talking about. And really, cyberlibertarianism isn't all that far from a hippie version of a world primarily occupied with technology.

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vidarh 12y ago

Maybe you'r not aware who Steward Brand (the author) is. He's the founder of Whole Earth Catalog. Founder of the WELL - one of the first virtual communities in the world. Founder of the Long Now Foundation. He's very much not taking hippie to mean libertarian (at least not in its modern US us) or hipster. He has his "authentic" 60's hippie credentials well in order more than most, and at the same time he was actively involved in, and a first hand witness, to a lot of the early work on the internet, and ran a networked forum/community before most people here were born. For a good account of the links between the early internet pioneers and the hippie / counter-culture movement in the 60's, read "What the dormouse said" by John Markoff.