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Once we replace "Islamic contribution" with "Arab contribution", we will move forward.
by nayefc 12y ago
Once we replace "Islamic contribution" with "Arab contribution", we will move forward.
- vdfs 12y agoThat is not true. Can you give me the name of a scientist before Islam?
- tidderton 12y agoYou know what, it is. Also, Mohammad was a misogynist pedophile warlord. Ideas from medieval ages have no place in the 21st century. (Down-votes from PC folks welcome)
- quinnchr 12y agoI'm pretty sure we still find plenty of use in the ideas much older than that... Do we not still teach the ideas of Pythagoras et al? I'm pretty sure what you're trying to say is religion has no place in the 21st century. Also fun fact, the early days of Islam saw huge steps forward for women's rights, more so than pretty much any other culture at the time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_feminism#Early_reforms_under_Islam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_feminism#Early_reforms_...). I'm curious why you Mohammed was a misogynist and what that has to do with Islam?
- zyngaro 12y agoWhat a hateful comment. How can one judge a man who lived in the 7th century by today's standards?! Objectively speaking, a warlord he might have been but a misogynist and a pedophile surely he wasn't.
- tidderton 12y agoBecause he is the perfect example to follow for all humans according to Muslims? He definitely was a misogynist and a pedophile according to Islamic texts. Would you like some links?
- dang 12y agoPlease stop.
- nayefc 12y agoSo was every single religious figure..
- selimthegrim 12y agoI await your similar frenzied expose of Richard the Lionheart with bated breath....
- lotharbot 12y ago"Please don't bait other users by inviting them to downmod you." "Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html (Interesting that your only other comment on this profile was a suggestion to someone else to read the guidelines.)
- KhalilK 12y agoInteresting that his only other comment on that profile was also a reply to a comment of mine.
- yareally 12y agoAny of the ones living in pre-islamic Egypt/Babylon/Sumeria/Persia? Unless you don't believe the Egyptians/Babylonians/Sumerians/Persians were scientists and their innovations required no science or mathematics.
- Mikeb85 12y agoThey weren't Arabs...
- yareally 12y agoArab can be a very generic and overly used term in many conversations. Please define who you think are Arabs. Also the link this whole thread is about on wikipedia is about a Scientist from Turkey, not Arabia. > "Badi'al-Zaman Abū al-'Izz ibn Ismā'īl ibn al-Razāz al-Jazarī (1136–1206) (Arabic: بديع الزمان أَبُو اَلْعِزِ بْنُ إسْماعِيلِ بْنُ الرِّزاز الجزري) was a Muslim polymath: a scholar, inventor, mechanical engineer, craftsman, artist, and mathematician from Jazirat ibn Umar (current Cizre, Turkey), who lived during the Islamic Golden Age (Middle Ages)."
- nraf 12y agoCizre is in modern-day Turkey very close to the current borders of both Iraq and Syria. A person born at that time and in that region could be from a multitude of different races.
- nayefc 12y agoArab is not really generic. It is an ethnicity. An Arab does to have to be living in Arabia. Cizre at that time, was inhabited by Arabs. Al Jazari was an Arab, living in Cizre (Jazeera Ibn Amr in Arabic). It happens that this city today is a Turkish city.
- yareally 12y ago> It is an ethnicity. I'm aware that it is, but many people seem to like to use it for an (incorrect) generalization.
- nraf 12y agoThis isn't a very fair or accurate statement given that many of the greatest scholars of Islam weren't Arab (a large number were Persian for example). There were multiple centres of scientific endeavor throughout Islamic history including (but not limited to) Baghdad, Damascus, Al-Andalus (i.e. Islamic Spain) and Africa. Much of the Islamic scholarship at the time revolved around gaining a greater understanding of the creation of God as a means to draw nearer to God. In addition a lot of scholars in the major Islamic centres weren't even Muslim. For example, the conquest of the Iberian Peninsula (welcomed by the local Jewish population) ushered in a Jewish Golden Age which produced Maimonides, one of the greatest Jewish scholars of the time.
- arjn 12y agoMaimonides was Jewish.
- nraf 12y agoSorry, typo. Had meant to write Jewish. That was sorta the point of the sentence. :)
- nayefc 12y agoRight, a Muslim scholar in Persia could be seen as a Persian scholar or a Muslim scholar. However, Arabs often end up looking at their contributions as Islamic Contributions, or rather Arab-Islamic dismissing non-Muslim Arabs. To your point, there were many non-Muslim Arab scholars.
- nraf 12y agoMy point isn't that there are many non-Muslim Arab scholars, it's that a lot of the greatest Muslim scholars at the time weren't actually of Arab origin. e.g. Ibn Sina and Al-Ghazali were both of Persian origin (although the lingua franca was Arabic). Islam was the catalyst of change in the 7th century, I don't see how that could be denied. Yes, it was predominately Arabs that brought it outside the Peninsula but the scholarly achievements weren't Arab achievements, because, again, many of the scholars weren't Arabs. Heck, the most important book in Sunni Islam after the Qur'an was compiled by al-Bukhari, a non-Arab from Bukhara in modern-day Afghanistan. If you look into it, Islamic scholarship didn't really kick off until the Abbasid Dynasty was established. Non-Arabs played a large role in allowing the Abbasids to come into power in the first place. The jizya (tax on non-Muslims) was a higher fee than the zakat (religious tax on Muslims). As more and more non-Arabs started to embrace Islam, the Umayyads were getting less and less tax revenue because the new Muslims were playing zakat instead of jizya. As such, they stated (against the laws of Islam) that non-Arab converts to Islam still need to pay the same amount as they were paying before they embraced Islam. Naturally, this led to a lot of resentment amongst the new non-Arab Muslims who would later support the Abbasid rebellion against the Umayyads. The Abbasids would go on to employ many non-Arabs, especially Persians, into high positions in government.