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I'm still not sure why this article is equating preference with racism. If I'm attracted to white women and I'm white, it has nothing to do with racism.

Chinjut 12y ago
What does it have to do with?
- mpweiher 12y ago
  Preference. See Wikipedia. "Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples" ... "In sociology and psychology, some definitions only include consciously malignant forms of discrimination.[4][5] While some consider any assumption that a person's behavior is tied to their racial categorization is inherently racist, regardless of whether the action is intentionally harmful or pejorative, because stereotyping necessarily subordinates individual identity to group identity" So if you just prefer one group, that's not racist, as far as I can tell. If you make claims about a group's behavior based on race, that's racist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
  - corey 12y ago
    "because stereotyping necessarily subordinates individual identity to group identity" No it doesn't. Many stereotypes are useful when you have very little information about a person. You're only subordinating individual identity to group identity if you refuse to update your beliefs about a person after receiving new evidence about him.
  - burgers 12y ago
    So I guess the KKK isn't racist. Interesting... > "We're not racists," Chambers told CNN Monday. "We just want to be with white people. If that's a crime, then I don't know. It's all right to be black and Latino and proud, but you can't be white and proud. I don't understand it." http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/a-kinder-gentler-ku-klux-klan-we-do-not-hate-anyone-imperial-wizard-says/ http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/a-kinder-gentler-k...
    - mpweiher 12y ago
      That statement is not racist. I doubt that statement is the full extent of the KKKs racism...
      - burgers 12y ago
        > We just want to be with white people. I don't know. If someone told me "I just want to be with white people", I would think they were racist. That said, the word racism definitely has multiple and nuanced meanings at this point, so it could be more a part of my interpretation than the more established official definition.
        jacquesm 12y ago
        Most racists are xenophobes, but not all xenophobes are automatically racists.
    - kachnuv_ocasek 12y ago
      Of course, there's nothing racist in that statement. Their actions don't seem to be in accord with their words, though.
      - Cthulhu_ 12y ago
        Indeed. I think you can safely label a person or an organization if their actions are predominantly racist (like, oh, public lynching of minorities).
        gd1 12y ago
        Oh really? To play devil's advocate for a moment, why don't you extend the same courtesy to them that the left do to Islam? I'm sure those lynchers were just a few bad apples, a few extremists, and you can't judge the whole organization for their actions. Right? Or maybe not.
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- Aqueous 12y ago
  Identity. Are gay men sexist because they are not attracted to women?
  - atom-morgan 12y ago
    Or, framed another way, gay people can't change who they are attracted to. So, what's any different about a straight person being attracted to one race more than another?
jeorgun 12y ago
Individual preference (it seems to me) isn't racist, but in aggregate it at the very least raises questions about where those widespread preferences come from.
- lclarkmichalek 12y ago
  Institutional vs incidental, if you will
- colmvp 12y ago
  > Individual preference (it seems to me) isn't racist, but in aggregate it at the very least raises questions about where those widespread preferences come from. Thank you. It's so easy to brush under the rug peoples racial preferences as if they are sacrosanct
  - paulhauggis 12y ago
    I see. So if a gay female only looks for other females, are they sexist?
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QuantumChaos 12y ago
Racism is a politically loaded term, and it's not possible to use it out of the context of a progressive viewpoint that defines racism to be a culture of White supremacy. In this context, the author is assuming that Black women are as beautiful as Hispanic and White women, but that the racism that pervades our culture causes them to view Black features as unattractive.
wodenokoto 12y ago
If you read the article you'd have seen that it does indeed question that very equation.

Chinjut 12y ago

What does it have to do with?

mpweiher 12y ago
Preference. See Wikipedia. "Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples" ... "In sociology and psychology, some definitions only include consciously malignant forms of discrimination.[4][5] While some consider any assumption that a person's behavior is tied to their racial categorization is inherently racist, regardless of whether the action is intentionally harmful or pejorative, because stereotyping necessarily subordinates individual identity to group identity" So if you just prefer one group, that's not racist, as far as I can tell. If you make claims about a group's behavior based on race, that's racist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
- corey 12y ago
  "because stereotyping necessarily subordinates individual identity to group identity" No it doesn't. Many stereotypes are useful when you have very little information about a person. You're only subordinating individual identity to group identity if you refuse to update your beliefs about a person after receiving new evidence about him.
- burgers 12y ago
  So I guess the KKK isn't racist. Interesting... > "We're not racists," Chambers told CNN Monday. "We just want to be with white people. If that's a crime, then I don't know. It's all right to be black and Latino and proud, but you can't be white and proud. I don't understand it." http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/a-kinder-gentler-ku-klux-klan-we-do-not-hate-anyone-imperial-wizard-says/ http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/12/a-kinder-gentler-k...
  - mpweiher 12y ago
    That statement is not racist. I doubt that statement is the full extent of the KKKs racism...
    - burgers 12y ago
      > We just want to be with white people. I don't know. If someone told me "I just want to be with white people", I would think they were racist. That said, the word racism definitely has multiple and nuanced meanings at this point, so it could be more a part of my interpretation than the more established official definition.
      - jacquesm 12y ago
        Most racists are xenophobes, but not all xenophobes are automatically racists.
  - kachnuv_ocasek 12y ago
    Of course, there's nothing racist in that statement. Their actions don't seem to be in accord with their words, though.
    - Cthulhu_ 12y ago
      Indeed. I think you can safely label a person or an organization if their actions are predominantly racist (like, oh, public lynching of minorities).
      - gd1 12y ago
        Oh really? To play devil's advocate for a moment, why don't you extend the same courtesy to them that the left do to Islam? I'm sure those lynchers were just a few bad apples, a few extremists, and you can't judge the whole organization for their actions. Right? Or maybe not.
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Aqueous 12y ago
Identity. Are gay men sexist because they are not attracted to women?
- atom-morgan 12y ago
  Or, framed another way, gay people can't change who they are attracted to. So, what's any different about a straight person being attracted to one race more than another?

jeorgun 12y ago

Individual preference (it seems to me) isn't racist, but in aggregate it at the very least raises questions about where those widespread preferences come from.

lclarkmichalek 12y ago
Institutional vs incidental, if you will
colmvp 12y ago
> Individual preference (it seems to me) isn't racist, but in aggregate it at the very least raises questions about where those widespread preferences come from. Thank you. It's so easy to brush under the rug peoples racial preferences as if they are sacrosanct
- paulhauggis 12y ago
  I see. So if a gay female only looks for other females, are they sexist?
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QuantumChaos 12y ago

Racism is a politically loaded term, and it's not possible to use it out of the context of a progressive viewpoint that defines racism to be a culture of White supremacy. In this context, the author is assuming that Black women are as beautiful as Hispanic and White women, but that the racism that pervades our culture causes them to view Black features as unattractive.

wodenokoto 12y ago

If you read the article you'd have seen that it does indeed question that very equation.