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I have never been more productive than when I'm developing with Common Lisp in Emacs with Slime. It's a really fantastic environment.

by pivo 12y ago

malisper 12y ago
Don't forget paredit, ac-slime, and redshank.
pjmlp 12y ago
Still, I think they fail short from the Common Lisp commercial offerings in terms of the whole package.
- lispm 12y ago
  True, but for most stuff it is quite good. I use Clozure CL with Emacs/SLIME on ARM/Linux systems and it works great.
  - _delirium 12y ago
    It may also depend on people's background and their language mix. I hear good things about the fully integrated Lisp systems, but I'm so used to how I've customized my text editor, and how it's integrated with various other things I also use, that the bar for prying me away from it is fairly high. If I did 100% CL development it might be different.
pkaye 12y ago
What exactly do you develop with Common Lisp?
- mrottenkolber 12y ago
  I develop everything (typesetting software, compilers, web server, email client, a desktop environment just for me, a sound synthesizer, my invoice generator, IRC bots, full blown web apps, a wiki engine and tons of general purpose libraries) using Common Lisp. My love for the language comes especially from the fact that its so limitless by design. I have DISASSEMBLE and I have DEFUN. I have ETYPECASE and I have LOOP. Lacking a language feature? Add it with ease and incredible performance.
  - pkaye 12y ago
    Are any of these software tools available as open source so I can see the advantage of using Lisp?
    - malisper 12y ago
      Not the parent, but I recently wanted ssyntax[0] in Common Lisp, so I decided to write an implementation for it[1]. In doing so, I created a DSL for defining ssyntax (made up of defssyntax-test, defssyntax-macro, and defssyntax-sym-mac). Just note that my implementation uses a library of utilities I wrote[2] and is not pure Common Lisp. [0] http://arclanguage.github.io/ref/evaluation.html http://arclanguage.github.io/ref/evaluation.html [1] https://github.com/malisper/Clamp/blob/master/experimental/ssyntax.lisp https://github.com/malisper/Clamp/blob/master/experimental/s... [2] https://github.com/malisper/Clamp https://github.com/malisper/Clamp
    - mrottenkolber 12y ago
      Some: http://mr.gy/ http://mr.gy/
  - kourt 12y ago
    Please tell us about your stack. Which implementation of Common Lisp do you use?
    - mrottenkolber 12y ago
      Slackware, Clozure Common Lisp, Emacs, Slime. Actually its not very fancy. I basically live in a live CL image, have some emacs key bindings which invoke a simple CL job system (EVAL in a thread). I can shift-right-click things to get a menu of actions for that type of file and plain-right-click to run the VIEW action for that type of file (as a job in CL). http://i.imgur.com/2b47mII.png http://i.imgur.com/2b47mII.png I have a QUERY function which is hooked up to Recoll (full text search). I have the HTML ANSI CL draft under /usr/doc/ansi-common-lisp/ and HTML versions of all manpages under /usr/doc/man so finding documentation is quite nice. E.g. I (query "defun") or (query "gethostname") and get a sane list of results. I have a markdown like language in which I write all my documentation, its media independent and has backends for plaintext, html and LaTeX output. I want to release it soon but well... There is the SH DSL for executing UNIX commands, the PIPE macro for doing things like (pipe (sh hostname) (read)) (just a silly example). My web server is open source (telnet to mr.gy on port 80). Its mostly "cute", not something you'd run on a large site.
- mck- 12y ago
  I find it great for any general purpose coding on the backend. For instance, the algo of Routific is written in Common Lisp. But once you start building APIs or web apps, it falls extremely short for lack of community and open-source libraries/frameworks.
  - eudox 12y ago
    > it falls extremely short for lack of community and open-source libraries/frameworks. This is one area I'm hoping to improve. I've already built the ORM, auth system and template engine. Now I'm doing the web framework, pretty soon the admin panel, then a couple of pretty project sites and i'll be on Hacker News.
    - 616c 12y ago
      You might have seen me follow up comments about your work. It is very interesting. I am just starting to get into Lisp and I want to make it the first language I really get it into (in college, as a non-major, I did coursework in C++, Perl, and Python). CL is the language I want to dive deep into and get expert it. Keep up your stuff. After stumling on your work on that strictly-typed LLVM lisp and your cmacro system, I find your work very inspiring and make me want to focus. You and Fukamachi (did I get his name right? the guy working on cl21 and the Caveman web framework) are doing really cool stuff for the CL FOSS community right now.
      - eudox 12y ago
        Thank you for the encouragement, and best of luck to you :)

I have never been more productive than when I'm developing with Common Lisp in Emacs with Slime. It's a really fantastic environment.

by pivo 12y ago

I have never been more productive than when I'm developing with Common Lisp in Emacs with Slime. It's a really fantastic environment.

malisper 12y ago

Don't forget paredit, ac-slime, and redshank.

pjmlp 12y ago

Still, I think they fail short from the Common Lisp commercial offerings in terms of the whole package.

lispm 12y ago
True, but for most stuff it is quite good. I use Clozure CL with Emacs/SLIME on ARM/Linux systems and it works great.
- _delirium 12y ago
  It may also depend on people's background and their language mix. I hear good things about the fully integrated Lisp systems, but I'm so used to how I've customized my text editor, and how it's integrated with various other things I also use, that the bar for prying me away from it is fairly high. If I did 100% CL development it might be different.

pkaye 12y ago

What exactly do you develop with Common Lisp?

mrottenkolber 12y ago
I develop everything (typesetting software, compilers, web server, email client, a desktop environment just for me, a sound synthesizer, my invoice generator, IRC bots, full blown web apps, a wiki engine and tons of general purpose libraries) using Common Lisp. My love for the language comes especially from the fact that its so limitless by design. I have DISASSEMBLE and I have DEFUN. I have ETYPECASE and I have LOOP. Lacking a language feature? Add it with ease and incredible performance.
- pkaye 12y ago
  Are any of these software tools available as open source so I can see the advantage of using Lisp?
  - malisper 12y ago
    Not the parent, but I recently wanted ssyntax[0] in Common Lisp, so I decided to write an implementation for it[1]. In doing so, I created a DSL for defining ssyntax (made up of defssyntax-test, defssyntax-macro, and defssyntax-sym-mac). Just note that my implementation uses a library of utilities I wrote[2] and is not pure Common Lisp. [0] http://arclanguage.github.io/ref/evaluation.html http://arclanguage.github.io/ref/evaluation.html [1] https://github.com/malisper/Clamp/blob/master/experimental/ssyntax.lisp https://github.com/malisper/Clamp/blob/master/experimental/s... [2] https://github.com/malisper/Clamp https://github.com/malisper/Clamp
  - mrottenkolber 12y ago
    Some: http://mr.gy/ http://mr.gy/
- kourt 12y ago
  Please tell us about your stack. Which implementation of Common Lisp do you use?
  - mrottenkolber 12y ago
    Slackware, Clozure Common Lisp, Emacs, Slime. Actually its not very fancy. I basically live in a live CL image, have some emacs key bindings which invoke a simple CL job system (EVAL in a thread). I can shift-right-click things to get a menu of actions for that type of file and plain-right-click to run the VIEW action for that type of file (as a job in CL). http://i.imgur.com/2b47mII.png http://i.imgur.com/2b47mII.png I have a QUERY function which is hooked up to Recoll (full text search). I have the HTML ANSI CL draft under /usr/doc/ansi-common-lisp/ and HTML versions of all manpages under /usr/doc/man so finding documentation is quite nice. E.g. I (query "defun") or (query "gethostname") and get a sane list of results. I have a markdown like language in which I write all my documentation, its media independent and has backends for plaintext, html and LaTeX output. I want to release it soon but well... There is the SH DSL for executing UNIX commands, the PIPE macro for doing things like (pipe (sh hostname) (read)) (just a silly example). My web server is open source (telnet to mr.gy on port 80). Its mostly "cute", not something you'd run on a large site.
mck- 12y ago
I find it great for any general purpose coding on the backend. For instance, the algo of Routific is written in Common Lisp. But once you start building APIs or web apps, it falls extremely short for lack of community and open-source libraries/frameworks.
- eudox 12y ago
  > it falls extremely short for lack of community and open-source libraries/frameworks. This is one area I'm hoping to improve. I've already built the ORM, auth system and template engine. Now I'm doing the web framework, pretty soon the admin panel, then a couple of pretty project sites and i'll be on Hacker News.
  - 616c 12y ago
    You might have seen me follow up comments about your work. It is very interesting. I am just starting to get into Lisp and I want to make it the first language I really get it into (in college, as a non-major, I did coursework in C++, Perl, and Python). CL is the language I want to dive deep into and get expert it. Keep up your stuff. After stumling on your work on that strictly-typed LLVM lisp and your cmacro system, I find your work very inspiring and make me want to focus. You and Fukamachi (did I get his name right? the guy working on cl21 and the Caveman web framework) are doing really cool stuff for the CL FOSS community right now.
    - eudox 12y ago
      Thank you for the encouragement, and best of luck to you :)