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Judging from the 5 or 6 cops I know personally (neighbors and what not), there's basically nothing you can do if they want something from you. They will lie or

Judging from the 5 or 6 cops I know personally (neighbors and what not), there's basically nothing you can do if they want something from you. They will lie or provoke you into doing something, even worse, one of the cops I know had a story about how someone said, "no, you cannot search my vehicle." The cop then asked if he wanted to be arrested for resisting arrest, and the guy gave in because he has no idea what his rights really are. The cop who was telling me seemed pretty smug about it, tricking someone into searching his car... The point being, it's very hard not to get yourself into a pickle of the police officer really wants you. Most officers have somewhere between 2 - 4 years of formal education, most of which is about how to trick people, not about law. If the police officer suspects you're at fault for anything (or even is just having a bad day and doesn't like your look) he will arrest you. That being said, always say, "I'm not refusing, but you may not search my car (or persons)" and don't go with them unless you are arrested. Both require them to get a warrant, something they wont do unless they need to. If your pulled over and asked why, always say "no." (fifth amendment right and all). Finally, always, always, always be super nice and professional. Act innocent and you wont make the officer angry.

vfclists 12y ago
Don't you Americans feel ashamed of your country? Your country is beginning to stink. In many respects it is worse than third world countries. How is this different from some third world country where police stop cars to collect bribes from drivers? Well I'll tell you. In America the whole administration, the judiciary, the legal profession, the government at federal,state and county level are in on it. It seems that it succeeds basically because it is too expensive to get justice through the courts, this means that the courts and legal profession are in on it too. In third world countries is just the police and their superiors who get the money, and it generally petty cash. It looks like it is not terrorists who are going to destroy America after all. Your corrupt governments, banks, judiciary and law enforcement will do it on their own. A justice system which only the rich can afford is not a justice system in principle or in practice. The funny thing is that it has been going on for decades and it looks like the Washingon Post just noticed, as though they didn't know about it ages ago.
- kghose 12y ago
  Don't come here. It's terrible. Just terrible. Do not apply for a visa here. It's a TRAP!
  - Beltiras 12y ago
    I'm a well educated and skillful professional and can do my job from basically anywhere in the world. I wouldn't even vacation in the US. I am terrified of the legal framework I would subject myself to, especially as a citizen. I'm perfectly willing to work for clients in the US, but face to face meeting will take place OUTSIDE the US.
    - kghose 12y ago
      Don't come here. Don't even work for US clients. They are nasty, nasty I tell you. I'm one of them.
    - Estragon 12y ago
      It's not too bad as long as you're rich and white.
- wyclif 12y ago
  Yes, whatever you do, please don't come here on a visa. It's awful. Terrible. A horrible, nasty place. Run away, far, far away while you still can. You should never come here. Tell all your friends.
- kordless 12y ago
  First off, you are using a TON of blaming statements (which are mostly ad hominem) and are using a trolling technique to attempt poll others for feelings. It's a nasty habit and your comments only serve to make someone angry. I believe you are aware of your intent and only use it to illicit fear. We still have enough liberty here that this article can run in the newspaper freely. That is evidence enough America is far from stinky. Do we have unfair levers of power here? Yes. Are we attempting to determine how the levers got into a few people's control? Yes. Will we figure out how to stop them and keep it from happening again? You bet we will. And none of that will come to pass because of your crappy comments. It'll happen because we are Americans and aren't going to allow our liberties to being eroded by a bunch of fear mongering asshats. And THAT, my friends, is a blaming statement.
psykovsky 12y ago
Aren't you ashamed to have such aquaintances? I would punch the guy in the face as soon as he shared tat story with me. EDIT: Don't you think you should at least call him out on such unacceptable behaviour?
- markkanof 12y ago
  And then you would likely serve jail time for assaulting an officer. This is the exact problem with the system as it currently works. There is a significant imbalance of power that allows police to go on power trips with no real way to stop them.
  - psykovsky 12y ago
    And I would also have my opportunity to explain to a judge and/or jury why I punched him in the face...
otterley 12y ago
> They will lie or provoke you into doing something I would love to see a law on the books that forbids law enforcement officers from lying to witnesses or the accused to extract evidence or confessions. After all, it's unlawful to lie to them; the playing field should be level on both ends.
- poolpool 12y ago
  Are you a cop? You gotta tell me if you are.
  - gizmo686 12y ago
    I would imagine such a law would apply to cops who are representing themselves as cops. This would go a long way to establishing the police as a group of people that I, as a law abiding citizen, can trust.
  - otterley 12y ago
    "No I don't."
justin66 12y ago
> That being said, always say, "I'm not refusing, but you may not search my car (or persons)" I can't imagine why you'd want to preface a refusal by stating "I'm not refusing." That just seems willfully obtuse. The "I don't consent to searches" line seems a lot more appropriate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kVX6NIPzB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kVX6NIPzB0

vfclists 12y ago

Don't you Americans feel ashamed of your country? Your country is beginning to stink. In many respects it is worse than third world countries. How is this different from some third world country where police stop cars to collect bribes from drivers? Well I'll tell you. In America the whole administration, the judiciary, the legal profession, the government at federal,state and county level are in on it. It seems that it succeeds basically because it is too expensive to get justice through the courts, this means that the courts and legal profession are in on it too. In third world countries is just the police and their superiors who get the money, and it generally petty cash. It looks like it is not terrorists who are going to destroy America after all. Your corrupt governments, banks, judiciary and law enforcement will do it on their own. A justice system which only the rich can afford is not a justice system in principle or in practice. The funny thing is that it has been going on for decades and it looks like the Washingon Post just noticed, as though they didn't know about it ages ago.

kghose 12y ago
Don't come here. It's terrible. Just terrible. Do not apply for a visa here. It's a TRAP!
- Beltiras 12y ago
  I'm a well educated and skillful professional and can do my job from basically anywhere in the world. I wouldn't even vacation in the US. I am terrified of the legal framework I would subject myself to, especially as a citizen. I'm perfectly willing to work for clients in the US, but face to face meeting will take place OUTSIDE the US.
  - kghose 12y ago
    Don't come here. Don't even work for US clients. They are nasty, nasty I tell you. I'm one of them.
  - Estragon 12y ago
    It's not too bad as long as you're rich and white.
wyclif 12y ago
Yes, whatever you do, please don't come here on a visa. It's awful. Terrible. A horrible, nasty place. Run away, far, far away while you still can. You should never come here. Tell all your friends.
kordless 12y ago
First off, you are using a TON of blaming statements (which are mostly ad hominem) and are using a trolling technique to attempt poll others for feelings. It's a nasty habit and your comments only serve to make someone angry. I believe you are aware of your intent and only use it to illicit fear. We still have enough liberty here that this article can run in the newspaper freely. That is evidence enough America is far from stinky. Do we have unfair levers of power here? Yes. Are we attempting to determine how the levers got into a few people's control? Yes. Will we figure out how to stop them and keep it from happening again? You bet we will. And none of that will come to pass because of your crappy comments. It'll happen because we are Americans and aren't going to allow our liberties to being eroded by a bunch of fear mongering asshats. And THAT, my friends, is a blaming statement.

psykovsky 12y ago

Aren't you ashamed to have such aquaintances? I would punch the guy in the face as soon as he shared tat story with me. EDIT: Don't you think you should at least call him out on such unacceptable behaviour?

markkanof 12y ago
And then you would likely serve jail time for assaulting an officer. This is the exact problem with the system as it currently works. There is a significant imbalance of power that allows police to go on power trips with no real way to stop them.
- psykovsky 12y ago
  And I would also have my opportunity to explain to a judge and/or jury why I punched him in the face...

otterley 12y ago

> They will lie or provoke you into doing something I would love to see a law on the books that forbids law enforcement officers from lying to witnesses or the accused to extract evidence or confessions. After all, it's unlawful to lie to them; the playing field should be level on both ends.

poolpool 12y ago
Are you a cop? You gotta tell me if you are.
- gizmo686 12y ago
  I would imagine such a law would apply to cops who are representing themselves as cops. This would go a long way to establishing the police as a group of people that I, as a law abiding citizen, can trust.
- otterley 12y ago
  "No I don't."

justin66 12y ago

> That being said, always say, "I'm not refusing, but you may not search my car (or persons)" I can't imagine why you'd want to preface a refusal by stating "I'm not refusing." That just seems willfully obtuse. The "I don't consent to searches" line seems a lot more appropriate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kVX6NIPzB0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kVX6NIPzB0