>>> that doesn't mean management should be expected to value IT in such a way that they actually are willing to pay significant amounts for it! I was at one l

>>> that doesn't mean management should be expected to value IT in such a way that they actually are willing to pay significant amounts for it! I was at one large financial company similar to JPMo and every time the development team came up with a good idea, it was met with a laundry list of requirements we had to meet in order to show positive ROI over a very short time period. Not sure if they did to discourage us from trying to help processes and development, or they really believed redesigning some parts of their network architecture could be done in a month or two. Either way, it was quite frustrating to say the least, and after a few gallant attempts to get something going, most of the younger developers just opted out and left. I saw the writing on the wall and was in the second wave of people who finally gave up and moved on.