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The catch22 is even more disturbing than that, when you realize as a sister comment said, the organic/ethical foods are normally far more expensive. While this

The catch22 is even more disturbing than that, when you realize as a sister comment said, the organic/ethical foods are normally far more expensive. While this is an academic problem for most of the people here, for some living on a tight budget, it's a make or break for even _having_ meat on the table. I see similarities between the issues of trying to remove junkfood consumption, in that you see the highest levels of consumption in the poorest demographics simply because they don't have any other options. Until we can provide those options, or assisted accessibility to those options, I do not think we will ever break the market for unethical/unhealthy food, flavor and preferences aside.

pyre 12y ago
> I see similarities between the issues of trying to remove junkfood consumption, in that you see the highest levels of consumption in the poorest demographics simply because they don't have any other options. What about eating, say, a carrot instead of a bag of chips? I can buy 2 pounds of organic carrots for ~$2.50 (probably cheaper non-organic). How does that compare to the average bag of chips?
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  In many cases, produce quality is lower, selection is less, and prices are higher for produce in stores in poor neighborhoods where this can be less true of junk food. It's often expensive to be poor.
- existencebox 12y ago
  For a time a friend of mine lived in a very bad area in Philadelphia, a bit off Diamond street. The local corner stores had, at best, potatos, and the semi-local supermarkets scaled pricewise to the college student population nearby. You could probably go out of your way and find some affordably priced, but what is convenient and available pales in comparison to the amount of really questionable foods like chips. (bag of chips is probably 49c, 99c for a big one, by the way. So you could get a bunch of chips for the price of those carrots, similarly, you could get something like 2-3 burgers instead. The prices are not such that the carrots seem appealing)
  - pyre 12y ago
    I could qualify that I'm no currently living in the US. When I was in the US, I remember being able to get bags of mini-carrots for ~$0.99 (can't remember if they were small/large/organic/non-organic).

pyre 12y ago

> I see similarities between the issues of trying to remove junkfood consumption, in that you see the highest levels of consumption in the poorest demographics simply because they don't have any other options. What about eating, say, a carrot instead of a bag of chips? I can buy 2 pounds of organic carrots for ~$2.50 (probably cheaper non-organic). How does that compare to the average bag of chips?

dragonwriter 12y ago
In many cases, produce quality is lower, selection is less, and prices are higher for produce in stores in poor neighborhoods where this can be less true of junk food. It's often expensive to be poor.
existencebox 12y ago
For a time a friend of mine lived in a very bad area in Philadelphia, a bit off Diamond street. The local corner stores had, at best, potatos, and the semi-local supermarkets scaled pricewise to the college student population nearby. You could probably go out of your way and find some affordably priced, but what is convenient and available pales in comparison to the amount of really questionable foods like chips. (bag of chips is probably 49c, 99c for a big one, by the way. So you could get a bunch of chips for the price of those carrots, similarly, you could get something like 2-3 burgers instead. The prices are not such that the carrots seem appealing)
- pyre 12y ago
  I could qualify that I'm no currently living in the US. When I was in the US, I remember being able to get bags of mini-carrots for ~$0.99 (can't remember if they were small/large/organic/non-organic).