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Infuriatingly, they do this only for the largest US companies while small business in America is left to fend for itself. Travel to China or Russia much as a s

Infuriatingly, they do this only for the largest US companies while small business in America is left to fend for itself. Travel to China or Russia much as a small business? One example: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-15/china-corporate-espionage-boom-knocks-wind-out-of-u-s-companies.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-15/china-corporate-esp... If your counterparty has the right relationships as the provincial or state level you're a target. This, FCPA, DCMA... US small business plays by a set of lofty one-sided rules.

phkahler 12y ago
Yes, the question not talked about in the article is how to disseminate the information to US companies. You'd have to be part of the club. And then it raises the question if the big guys spy on our own smaller companies that are not part of the club.
- otakucode 12y ago
  You have to realize the mindset of the people who support and go about these sorts of things. First off, obviously, they are fine with 'cheating' in any form so long as it is for 'our team'. They don't believe in 'fair play' at all and think things like open and fair elections, economic competition, etc are all just fantasies sold to the rubes of the public to keep them complacent. They believe strongly that the only way to actually survive is for 'hard men' to be in the shadows making 'hard choices' (choices so hard that they always involve stomping an innocent to death 99% of the time). But it's more than that. When they look at America and its position on the world stage, it sees various pillars holding up America. The major industries and areas in which America leads the world. Things like media publishing, for instance. The reason it is so easy for an MPAA/RIAA shill to get the ear of a Congressperson is because they know how Congresspeople think. While the public sees a beautiful alternative, with artists selling their work directly to the public, tens or hundreds of thousands of them all making a decent living from their work, the only thing a Congressperson sees is a swarm of rats gnawing through one of the pillars that holds the country up. Decentralization is an abject horror to them. Centralization of power and wealth is the way they are convinced that the world works. Centralization, of course, as we now know, breeds very brittle systems. They become lethargic and incapable of fending off competition from more agile players. So there is a constant battle to keep the smaller players suppressed and lots of running around putting out fires trying to prop up the bloated, inefficient centralized 'pillars'.
  - sliverstorm 12y ago
    They don't believe in 'fair play' at all I would bet a lot of that has to do with the Prisoner's Dilemma more than ethics. always involve stomping an innocent to death 99% of the time Err... are you being hyperbolic? Or metaphoric? Or do you really believe that is what our statesmen spend their days doing?
  - phkahler 12y ago
    The challenge is defining whose "team" you're on. Individual, family, chorines, country, race?? Different people prioritize these differently, but if you're sharing data with your team I should think the circle of people you're sharing with would define the team, but there may be reasons to keep part of your team in the dark too. It all depends on higher level strategy. In some cases we see who is clearly on the team, and in some cases who is clearly not. The public doesn't seem to fit cleanly into either of these camps in all cases.

phkahler 12y ago

Yes, the question not talked about in the article is how to disseminate the information to US companies. You'd have to be part of the club. And then it raises the question if the big guys spy on our own smaller companies that are not part of the club.

otakucode 12y ago
You have to realize the mindset of the people who support and go about these sorts of things. First off, obviously, they are fine with 'cheating' in any form so long as it is for 'our team'. They don't believe in 'fair play' at all and think things like open and fair elections, economic competition, etc are all just fantasies sold to the rubes of the public to keep them complacent. They believe strongly that the only way to actually survive is for 'hard men' to be in the shadows making 'hard choices' (choices so hard that they always involve stomping an innocent to death 99% of the time). But it's more than that. When they look at America and its position on the world stage, it sees various pillars holding up America. The major industries and areas in which America leads the world. Things like media publishing, for instance. The reason it is so easy for an MPAA/RIAA shill to get the ear of a Congressperson is because they know how Congresspeople think. While the public sees a beautiful alternative, with artists selling their work directly to the public, tens or hundreds of thousands of them all making a decent living from their work, the only thing a Congressperson sees is a swarm of rats gnawing through one of the pillars that holds the country up. Decentralization is an abject horror to them. Centralization of power and wealth is the way they are convinced that the world works. Centralization, of course, as we now know, breeds very brittle systems. They become lethargic and incapable of fending off competition from more agile players. So there is a constant battle to keep the smaller players suppressed and lots of running around putting out fires trying to prop up the bloated, inefficient centralized 'pillars'.
- sliverstorm 12y ago
  They don't believe in 'fair play' at all I would bet a lot of that has to do with the Prisoner's Dilemma more than ethics. always involve stomping an innocent to death 99% of the time Err... are you being hyperbolic? Or metaphoric? Or do you really believe that is what our statesmen spend their days doing?
- phkahler 12y ago
  The challenge is defining whose "team" you're on. Individual, family, chorines, country, race?? Different people prioritize these differently, but if you're sharing data with your team I should think the circle of people you're sharing with would define the team, but there may be reasons to keep part of your team in the dark too. It all depends on higher level strategy. In some cases we see who is clearly on the team, and in some cases who is clearly not. The public doesn't seem to fit cleanly into either of these camps in all cases.