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People can sell or give away expired licenses when they receive a new one. You can't trust an expired license because it implies there's one which _isn't_ expir

by zacwest 12y ago

People can sell or give away expired licenses when they receive a new one. You can't trust an expired license because it implies there's one which _isn't_ expired.

simoncion 12y ago
It took me a long time to think of this, but I feel that it's a solid statement: If you remember that The State replaces "lost" licenses for a small fee, you'll realize why the policy of refusing to accept "expired" licenses is asinine.
ChristianBundy 12y ago
As a twenty-something, I've never heard of anyone selling or giving away an expired ID, as nobody will take it. Instead, you go to DMV and say you lost your ID – they'll charge you $X, and you sell the original for $X+P (where P is your profit margin). > You can't trust an expired license because it implies there's one which _isn't_ expired. This is also untrue. Just because my ID has expired doesn't mean that I've already gone through the steps to get a new ID. An expired ID means that the ID has expired; nothing more, nothing less.
- itsdevlin 12y ago
  Can confirm. Did this all through college. Speaking of 'things that should be tracked' - I'm blown away that it didn't raise any red flags when I 'lost' ~50 Drivers Licenses over the course of a year or two.
  - randyrand 12y ago
    Do you really not care about people running around with your identity? Also, I call shenanigans!
- zacwest 12y ago
  At least where I grew up, nobody cared about expired licenses. Many of my friends used their sibling's or friend's old IDs to buy alcohol or cigarettes, despite the expiration. Perhaps this practice lead to people checking expiration.
jmathai 12y ago
I can get a replacement ID at little cost (≈$30) [1]. I don't know that they do anything to invalidate the ID being replaced. In the case of the TSA where they're just looking at the ID and not running it through a database both would work just as good. http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/replace-license.php http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/replace-license.php
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dragonwriter 12y ago
If that was a valid argument, it would apply equally to non-expired licenses, since people can order a duplicate of a non-expired license and sell or give away either the duplicate or the original. Heck, people could, in principle, transfer the original even if they didn't get a duplicate. (There's a reason IDs have photos, signatures, height/weight information, and tie to databases with fingerprint and other data -- you aren't supposed to rely on the uniqueness of the document you are supposed to rely on the match between the information on the document and the person in front of you.)
kazinator 12y ago
Also, what's the significance of calling it expired if it continues to be honored? Honoring an expired document breaks the rationale for expiry.

by zacwest 12y ago

People can sell or give away expired licenses when they receive a new one. You can't trust an expired license because it implies there's one which _isn't_ expired.

simoncion 12y ago

It took me a long time to think of this, but I feel that it's a solid statement: If you remember that The State replaces "lost" licenses for a small fee, you'll realize why the policy of refusing to accept "expired" licenses is asinine.

ChristianBundy 12y ago

As a twenty-something, I've never heard of anyone selling or giving away an expired ID, as nobody will take it. Instead, you go to DMV and say you lost your ID – they'll charge you $X, and you sell the original for $X+P (where P is your profit margin). > You can't trust an expired license because it implies there's one which _isn't_ expired. This is also untrue. Just because my ID has expired doesn't mean that I've already gone through the steps to get a new ID. An expired ID means that the ID has expired; nothing more, nothing less.

itsdevlin 12y ago
Can confirm. Did this all through college. Speaking of 'things that should be tracked' - I'm blown away that it didn't raise any red flags when I 'lost' ~50 Drivers Licenses over the course of a year or two.
- randyrand 12y ago
  Do you really not care about people running around with your identity? Also, I call shenanigans!
zacwest 12y ago
At least where I grew up, nobody cared about expired licenses. Many of my friends used their sibling's or friend's old IDs to buy alcohol or cigarettes, despite the expiration. Perhaps this practice lead to people checking expiration.

jmathai 12y ago

I can get a replacement ID at little cost (≈$30) [1]. I don't know that they do anything to invalidate the ID being replaced. In the case of the TSA where they're just looking at the ID and not running it through a database both would work just as good. http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/replace-license.php http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/replace-license.php

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dragonwriter 12y ago

If that was a valid argument, it would apply equally to non-expired licenses, since people can order a duplicate of a non-expired license and sell or give away either the duplicate or the original. Heck, people could, in principle, transfer the original even if they didn't get a duplicate. (There's a reason IDs have photos, signatures, height/weight information, and tie to databases with fingerprint and other data -- you aren't supposed to rely on the uniqueness of the document you are supposed to rely on the match between the information on the document and the person in front of you.)

kazinator 12y ago

Also, what's the significance of calling it expired if it continues to be honored? Honoring an expired document breaks the rationale for expiry.