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I haven't watched her videos. I tried watching the first one when it came out and got bored. I did however end up watching one the critiques of her videos. If

I haven't watched her videos. I tried watching the first one when it came out and got bored. I did however end up watching one the critiques of her videos. If you haven't, I'd say you may doing yourself a disservice if you don't watch some of them before recommending anymore of her videos to others. There was a scene in Hitman which she grossly misrepresented to fit a narrative of misogyny in videogames which I found shocking.

tptacek 12y ago
We're talking about a game in which, all parties stipulate, your playable character can physically assault a stripper. The gross misrepresentation is Sarkeesian's belief that the game encourages players to do that, refuted by the fact that a number at the top left of the screen in fact decreases when you do. That's the disclaimer you want me to accompany my recommendation with?
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > We're talking about a game in which, all parties stipulate, your playable character can physically assault a stripper. That a work depicts a world in which it is possible to commit violence against women is a pretty weak argument for the work being mysogynistic, especially when that particular example of violence is not one which the game rewards, while the game does center around, and reward, murdering all kinds of other people.
  - tptacek 12y ago
    You're litigating a different issue than the grandparent comment is. In the video I watched, Sarkeesian was very clear about the motives she perceived in including this kind of violence in games. She believes that it is in fact an attempt to create atmosphere and realism. She goes on to interrogate whether that attempt is effective given its knock-on effects and subtext. The grandparent commenter, on the other hand, tries to claim that Sarkeesian's videos might be dishonest. I don't buy it, based on the critiques I could find. Did you watch the videos? What do you think?
- xtrumanx 12y ago
  > We're talking about a game in which, all parties stipulate, your playable character can physically assault a stripper. Yes, is that misogynistic? The game is about a Hitman. He can assault and kill anyone on the screen. Both men and women. In that particular section of the game, assaulting a stripper will reduce the rating of the player i.e. the game discourages the player from doing so. Why? Because you're supposed to be a Hitman who only kills their target without collateral damage. If you believe I'm misrepresenting what she said I'll dig up the video for you where the critique was made and you can judge for yourself. > The gross misrepresentation is Sarkeesian's belief that the game encourages players to do that, refuted by the fact that a number at the top left of the screen in fact decreases when you do. What number? Are you referring to my points for my comment? edit: Here's the video link[0]. Skip to 2:28. If you don't accept that she misrepresented Hitman than I don't believe we'll ever see eye-to-eye on this issue. It's important to stamp out misogyny. Just don't be dishonest. Fighting a good fight does not give you a free pass for doing other bad things. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI&t=148 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI&t=148
  - tptacek 12y ago
    Oh my god. I watched the video you showed me and immediately stopped caring what anyone was saying. What a horror that game seems to be. Wow. And here I felt squicky for playing GTA4.

tptacek 12y ago

We're talking about a game in which, all parties stipulate, your playable character can physically assault a stripper. The gross misrepresentation is Sarkeesian's belief that the game encourages players to do that, refuted by the fact that a number at the top left of the screen in fact decreases when you do. That's the disclaimer you want me to accompany my recommendation with?

dragonwriter 12y ago
> We're talking about a game in which, all parties stipulate, your playable character can physically assault a stripper. That a work depicts a world in which it is possible to commit violence against women is a pretty weak argument for the work being mysogynistic, especially when that particular example of violence is not one which the game rewards, while the game does center around, and reward, murdering all kinds of other people.
- tptacek 12y ago
  You're litigating a different issue than the grandparent comment is. In the video I watched, Sarkeesian was very clear about the motives she perceived in including this kind of violence in games. She believes that it is in fact an attempt to create atmosphere and realism. She goes on to interrogate whether that attempt is effective given its knock-on effects and subtext. The grandparent commenter, on the other hand, tries to claim that Sarkeesian's videos might be dishonest. I don't buy it, based on the critiques I could find. Did you watch the videos? What do you think?
xtrumanx 12y ago
> We're talking about a game in which, all parties stipulate, your playable character can physically assault a stripper. Yes, is that misogynistic? The game is about a Hitman. He can assault and kill anyone on the screen. Both men and women. In that particular section of the game, assaulting a stripper will reduce the rating of the player i.e. the game discourages the player from doing so. Why? Because you're supposed to be a Hitman who only kills their target without collateral damage. If you believe I'm misrepresenting what she said I'll dig up the video for you where the critique was made and you can judge for yourself. > The gross misrepresentation is Sarkeesian's belief that the game encourages players to do that, refuted by the fact that a number at the top left of the screen in fact decreases when you do. What number? Are you referring to my points for my comment? edit: Here's the video link[0]. Skip to 2:28. If you don't accept that she misrepresented Hitman than I don't believe we'll ever see eye-to-eye on this issue. It's important to stamp out misogyny. Just don't be dishonest. Fighting a good fight does not give you a free pass for doing other bad things. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI&t=148 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI&t=148
- tptacek 12y ago
  Oh my god. I watched the video you showed me and immediately stopped caring what anyone was saying. What a horror that game seems to be. Wow. And here I felt squicky for playing GTA4.