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Many police cars have dash cams that would have captured the signal. Were you able to press the issue and get a copy of that recording?

DannyBee 12y ago
Dash cams are historically "broken" and footage goes "missing". I expect the same to happen here.
- mattm 12y ago
  Friend in high school got pulled over with me in the car for speeding. The officer said he was doing 79km/hr in a 50 zone. (He was going a little fast but not that fast). My friend, having been pulled over before, asked to see the radar gun reading and the cop told him "I deleted it." Fortunately, my friend contested it in court and won because the police are supposed to show you the evidence if you ask for it.
  - XorNot 12y ago
    This is where body cams change things - the police can lose footage all they want. The fact they did will be hugely prejudicial to court case outcomes. It means good cops get the results, and to boot some immunity to complaints from people just looking to avoid a legitimate ticket. Its a net gain for everyone.
    - Cthulhu_ 12y ago
      Yeah this - unless an officer can prove he was right by showing the camera footage, unfair cases can go right out the window. A lot of evidence in smaller cases (like speeding tickets) are based on 'because the officer saw it', which IMO is no longer valid - since a lot of police officers are falsely handing out tickets and whatnot.
  - johnlong 12y ago
    "He was going a little fast but not that fast" Ok, so he was only a "little" bit selfishly endangering everyone else on the road. Your friend is an asshole, and the cop is doing me a favour by doing whatever he can to your friend. Good on him.
    - BorgHunter 12y ago
      The legal system in the United States (and most first world nations) is built around the idea that it is far better to let an illegal act go unpunished than it is to take away the rights of an innocent person. Is it really worth throwing away that fundamental principle for something as petty as a speeding ticket?
      - johnlong 12y ago
        Speeding isn't petty. It's entirely grotesquely selfish and arrogant. Our democratic system of elected representatives of our society has made it clear to you that you are expected to drive no faster than a limit. You have decided you're better than that and you can drive faster, and fuck everyone else, no matter what the consequences. I say ban for life anyone who speeds.
        tim333 12y ago
        I think pretty much 100% of drivers have broken some speed limit at some time. So you are suggesting banning all drivers for ever?
        biafra 12y ago
        I always wonder why the traffic lights in Germany (and other countries I guess) are operated in a way that you have green all the way when you drive 10-15km/h above the speed limit. Depending on the time of day. You can get a ticket for being 1km/h above the limit but you only get (permanent record) points in Flensburg if you're 21km/h above the limit within city limits. I guess everybody is fine if drivers go above the limit up to 20km/h. It seems to me the speed limit in Germany are always set with that buffer (10%) in mind.
Apofis 12y ago
It was undercover plainclothes detectives, so no dashcam. It would have been his word against mine, and the worst that would have happened if I pursued it would have been a notice stashed away somewhere that would have accomplished nothing.

DannyBee 12y ago

Dash cams are historically "broken" and footage goes "missing". I expect the same to happen here.

mattm 12y ago
Friend in high school got pulled over with me in the car for speeding. The officer said he was doing 79km/hr in a 50 zone. (He was going a little fast but not that fast). My friend, having been pulled over before, asked to see the radar gun reading and the cop told him "I deleted it." Fortunately, my friend contested it in court and won because the police are supposed to show you the evidence if you ask for it.
- XorNot 12y ago
  This is where body cams change things - the police can lose footage all they want. The fact they did will be hugely prejudicial to court case outcomes. It means good cops get the results, and to boot some immunity to complaints from people just looking to avoid a legitimate ticket. Its a net gain for everyone.
  - Cthulhu_ 12y ago
    Yeah this - unless an officer can prove he was right by showing the camera footage, unfair cases can go right out the window. A lot of evidence in smaller cases (like speeding tickets) are based on 'because the officer saw it', which IMO is no longer valid - since a lot of police officers are falsely handing out tickets and whatnot.
- johnlong 12y ago
  "He was going a little fast but not that fast" Ok, so he was only a "little" bit selfishly endangering everyone else on the road. Your friend is an asshole, and the cop is doing me a favour by doing whatever he can to your friend. Good on him.
  - BorgHunter 12y ago
    The legal system in the United States (and most first world nations) is built around the idea that it is far better to let an illegal act go unpunished than it is to take away the rights of an innocent person. Is it really worth throwing away that fundamental principle for something as petty as a speeding ticket?
    - johnlong 12y ago
      Speeding isn't petty. It's entirely grotesquely selfish and arrogant. Our democratic system of elected representatives of our society has made it clear to you that you are expected to drive no faster than a limit. You have decided you're better than that and you can drive faster, and fuck everyone else, no matter what the consequences. I say ban for life anyone who speeds.
      - tim333 12y ago
        I think pretty much 100% of drivers have broken some speed limit at some time. So you are suggesting banning all drivers for ever?
      - biafra 12y ago
        I always wonder why the traffic lights in Germany (and other countries I guess) are operated in a way that you have green all the way when you drive 10-15km/h above the speed limit. Depending on the time of day. You can get a ticket for being 1km/h above the limit but you only get (permanent record) points in Flensburg if you're 21km/h above the limit within city limits. I guess everybody is fine if drivers go above the limit up to 20km/h. It seems to me the speed limit in Germany are always set with that buffer (10%) in mind.

Apofis 12y ago

It was undercover plainclothes detectives, so no dashcam. It would have been his word against mine, and the worst that would have happened if I pursued it would have been a notice stashed away somewhere that would have accomplished nothing.