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The CommonMarkdown team say they've been working on this for 2 years, but only sent the current name to Gruber two weeks ago - When he didn't reply, they pushed
by cygx 12y ago
The CommonMarkdown team say they've been working on this for 2 years, but only sent the current name to Gruber two weeks ago - When he didn't reply, they pushed forward anyway.
That's a bit misleading. Jeff has been known to rant about Markdown since at least 2009 [1] and decided to do something about it in 2012 [2].
John was contacted at that time. The idea was the following:
I'd really prefer not to fork the language; I'd much rather collectively help carry the banner of Markdown forward into the future, with the blessing of John Gruber and in collaboration with other popular sites that use Markdown.
That did not happen, so they went ahead on their own. Of course I have no idea what John's private reactions were and if that discussion involved naming issues, but this did not come out of the blue.
[1] http://blog.codinghorror.com/responsible-open-source-code-parenting/ http://blog.codinghorror.com/responsible-open-source-code-pa...
[2] http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-future-of-markdown/ http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-future-of-markdown/
- freditup 12y agoThis whole project seems to have lead to a bit of animosity between Jeff and John in the past: https://twitter.com/gruber/status/261650083689426945 https://twitter.com/gruber/status/261650083689426945 https://twitter.com/gruber/status/262287246953164800 https://twitter.com/gruber/status/262287246953164800 It's hard to tell, but Jeff possibly seems to be patronizing John a little in the original 2012 blog post [0] with all the bolded statements about John and the bit about the Yankees. Or he could just as well be trying to have a bit of light-hearted fun with it, I don't think we can judge his intentions in this case. [0]: http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-future-of-markdown/ http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-future-of-markdown/ (Blog link repeated in this comment for clarity)
- zak_mc_kracken 12y agoThis exchange tells me that John is very immature while Jeff is doing his best to try to work with him.
- philoushka 12y agoJG even retweeted ad hominium attacks on JA http://i.imgur.com/tjo9vMg.png http://i.imgur.com/tjo9vMg.png How the Apple fanboy journalist community rallied and circled the wagons was both expected but viscious. Lots of name calling from that side.
- thaumaturgy 12y agoIronically, that wasn't an "ad hominem attack", it was just a plain ol' fashioned insult, which doesn't require a fancypants-sounding Latin label. But, you dismissing Gruber as an "Apple fanboy journalist" is a bit ad-hom. Or, it would be, if this were a formal debate. Which it isn't.
- philoushka 12y agoSo you don't like the words I chose; OK. I wasn't calling JG that, I was calling all those around him in the Apple tech press who also piled on with the insults like "jackass". The point is that one side is name-calling and insulting the other, while the other side is trying to advance a technology for a large number of devs and internet users. I'm just a commenter on HN with little skin in the game, how I conduct myself matters little in this debate. How the primary parties in this story act is important and revealing.
- zak_mc_kracken 12y agoCalling him an "Apple fanboy journalist" isn't an ad hominem attack unless you use that characterization to dismiss something he said. It's just an attack, and a pretty accurate one at that, if you follow his blog. But this is totally unrelated to the immature behavior that he's showing about this whole Markdown drama.
- Ygg2 12y agoIs he a journalist now?
- FireBeyond 12y ago