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I hope this takes off and everyone wins because 1) Less false complaints are filed against cops 2) Cities don't get sued because cops behave better 3) No one

I hope this takes off and everyone wins because 1) Less false complaints are filed against cops 2) Cities don't get sued because cops behave better 3) No one gets unlawfully harassed by a cop ever again. On the other hand, I've seen criminals interacting with cops in person. They do not have an easy job.

nahiluhmot 12y ago
> On the other hand, I've seen criminals interacting with cops in person. They do not have an easy job. Wouldn't that be a positive for the police as well? If a suspect is belligerent, the presence of a camera would help to prove that.
- kelukelugames 12y ago
  I think criminals have a different mindset than we do. Look at world star and live leaks for example. Being filmed probably encourages them to act worse.
  - happyscrappy 12y ago
    Good. If you are dumb enough to fight a cop you will have no respect for an average citizen and you should be removed from decent society.
  - jaredmcateer 12y ago
    When Rialto, California PD ran it's pilot program it found that both parties tended to behave better knowing there was a camera. 88% drop in complaints against the officer and 60% drop in police officers use of force.[1] While you'll still have criminals that don't care, there are plenty that do, especially when they know that it's no longer just their word vs the police officer. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-police-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-poli...
  - thathonkey 12y ago
    You know what makes a criminal different from you? Nothing besides the fact that they broke a law and then got caught. Have you ever broken a law? You do at least realize you're a racist, right?
    - seanflyon 12y ago
      > racist What?
      - thathonkey 12y ago
        "world star" and "encourages them" is a racist dogwhistle that I'd be happy to translate for you. He meant those "uppity, animalistic black males" That paired with the attitude that criminals are essentially no different than most people that post here is how I drew that conclusion. Barring extremes like members of organized crime, violent gangs, cartels, etc. of course. Even still, broad strokes don't apply to those organizations but you could definitely make the case that the affiliated develop a more uniquely "criminal" mindset. Keyword being DEVELOP. Criminality is not inherent, sorry if this makes you uncomfortable.
  - angersock 12y ago
    Everybody's heart bleeds red--only difference between criminals and noncriminals is that they are not following some law on the books. Some subset of them are violent, insane, or malicious, but for most crimes it's something that harms nobody in any meaningful way. The worst part of the current state in America is this creation of an other.
emehrkay 12y ago
NY police are murdering people on video already. Will this change things?
- krapp 12y ago
  It should provide actual evidence, or evidence to the contrary, that the police in NY are murdering people on a regular basis as a matter of policy. All of the footage of police not murdering people is of value as well, after all.
  - ceejayoz 12y ago
    You moved the goalposts on someone else's assertion. No where was "on a regular basis" stated except by you. The recent chokehold death - a banned technique that resulted in a death - is a good example of what the parent was probably talking about.
    - krapp 12y ago
      Fair enough - I didn't mean to imply it on the part of the parent but on arguments about police brutality in general, particularly on the internet.
    - seanflyon 12y ago
      "are murdering" implies that it continues to happen on an ongoing basis. "on a regular basis" is moving goalposts, but not moving them very far.
      - emehrkay 12y ago
        "The ny police is murdering..." doesn't make much sense in English. And it has happened more than once. The other time I can think of is when they killed the guy in times square.
        seanflyon 12y ago
        The difference between "murdered" and "is/are murdering" is that the "murdering" implies that either it is happening at this very moment (which is clearly not the case here) or it happens on an ongoing basis.

nahiluhmot 12y ago

> On the other hand, I've seen criminals interacting with cops in person. They do not have an easy job. Wouldn't that be a positive for the police as well? If a suspect is belligerent, the presence of a camera would help to prove that.

kelukelugames 12y ago
I think criminals have a different mindset than we do. Look at world star and live leaks for example. Being filmed probably encourages them to act worse.
- happyscrappy 12y ago
  Good. If you are dumb enough to fight a cop you will have no respect for an average citizen and you should be removed from decent society.
- jaredmcateer 12y ago
  When Rialto, California PD ran it's pilot program it found that both parties tended to behave better knowing there was a camera. 88% drop in complaints against the officer and 60% drop in police officers use of force.[1] While you'll still have criminals that don't care, there are plenty that do, especially when they know that it's no longer just their word vs the police officer. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-police-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-poli...
- thathonkey 12y ago
  You know what makes a criminal different from you? Nothing besides the fact that they broke a law and then got caught. Have you ever broken a law? You do at least realize you're a racist, right?
  - seanflyon 12y ago
    > racist What?
    - thathonkey 12y ago
      "world star" and "encourages them" is a racist dogwhistle that I'd be happy to translate for you. He meant those "uppity, animalistic black males" That paired with the attitude that criminals are essentially no different than most people that post here is how I drew that conclusion. Barring extremes like members of organized crime, violent gangs, cartels, etc. of course. Even still, broad strokes don't apply to those organizations but you could definitely make the case that the affiliated develop a more uniquely "criminal" mindset. Keyword being DEVELOP. Criminality is not inherent, sorry if this makes you uncomfortable.
- angersock 12y ago
  Everybody's heart bleeds red--only difference between criminals and noncriminals is that they are not following some law on the books. Some subset of them are violent, insane, or malicious, but for most crimes it's something that harms nobody in any meaningful way. The worst part of the current state in America is this creation of an other.

emehrkay 12y ago

NY police are murdering people on video already. Will this change things?

krapp 12y ago
It should provide actual evidence, or evidence to the contrary, that the police in NY are murdering people on a regular basis as a matter of policy. All of the footage of police not murdering people is of value as well, after all.
- ceejayoz 12y ago
  You moved the goalposts on someone else's assertion. No where was "on a regular basis" stated except by you. The recent chokehold death - a banned technique that resulted in a death - is a good example of what the parent was probably talking about.
  - krapp 12y ago
    Fair enough - I didn't mean to imply it on the part of the parent but on arguments about police brutality in general, particularly on the internet.
  - seanflyon 12y ago
    "are murdering" implies that it continues to happen on an ongoing basis. "on a regular basis" is moving goalposts, but not moving them very far.
    - emehrkay 12y ago
      "The ny police is murdering..." doesn't make much sense in English. And it has happened more than once. The other time I can think of is when they killed the guy in times square.
      - seanflyon 12y ago
        The difference between "murdered" and "is/are murdering" is that the "murdering" implies that either it is happening at this very moment (which is clearly not the case here) or it happens on an ongoing basis.