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PISA is different kind of standardized test than usually meant when talking about them in education context. Not every student participate in PISA and (from wha

by Hamatti 12y ago

PISA is different kind of standardized test than usually meant when talking about them in education context. Not every student participate in PISA and (from what I know) it is not used to actually grade anyone. In Finland, the only nationwide test is the matriculation examination at the end of the high school.

NoPiece 12y ago
Right, I was just saying it is funny that the people who are championing the non-standardized test based education in Finland use a standardized test as the evidence of success.
- sesqu 12y ago
  The idea is that you find what you measure. Standardised tests are highly informative, but should be kept to a minimum to avoid warping the process. Incidentally, one of the major criticisms leveled against PISA is regarding the inconsistent sampling process.
- sampo 12y ago
  > the people who are championing the non-standardized test based education in Finland use a standardized test as the evidence of success. No we don't. When the first splendid PISA results were published in 2003 and 2006, the common theme in Finnish media was to wonder what is wrong with the methodology of those tests, because Finnish school system cannot be world class, no way. It took years and years of foreign media publicity and foreign interest, before we in Finland slowly started to believe that maybe our schools are, maybe, kind of good, because the rest of the world seems to believe so. And the rest of the world cannot probably be wrong.
  - NoPiece 12y ago
    I may have worded my comment ambiguously, I am talking about the writers in the US who discovered Finland after noticing the low US scores. I am not talking about any thoughts or opinions or the reality inside of Finland. The entire basis of the attention Finland gets for its schools in the US is the PISA scores.

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PISA is different kind of standardized test than usually meant when talking about them in education context. Not every student participate in PISA and (from wha

by Hamatti 12y ago

NoPiece 12y ago
Right, I was just saying it is funny that the people who are championing the non-standardized test based education in Finland use a standardized test as the evidence of success.
- sesqu 12y ago
  The idea is that you find what you measure. Standardised tests are highly informative, but should be kept to a minimum to avoid warping the process. Incidentally, one of the major criticisms leveled against PISA is regarding the inconsistent sampling process.
- sampo 12y ago
  > the people who are championing the non-standardized test based education in Finland use a standardized test as the evidence of success. No we don't. When the first splendid PISA results were published in 2003 and 2006, the common theme in Finnish media was to wonder what is wrong with the methodology of those tests, because Finnish school system cannot be world class, no way. It took years and years of foreign media publicity and foreign interest, before we in Finland slowly started to believe that maybe our schools are, maybe, kind of good, because the rest of the world seems to believe so. And the rest of the world cannot probably be wrong.
  - NoPiece 12y ago
    I may have worded my comment ambiguously, I am talking about the writers in the US who discovered Finland after noticing the low US scores. I am not talking about any thoughts or opinions or the reality inside of Finland. The entire basis of the attention Finland gets for its schools in the US is the PISA scores.