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Here's some irony for you: the Tories, who are the people the "independence movement" is complaining about, would gleefully sign off on Scottish independence be

Here's some irony for you: the Tories, who are the people the "independence movement" is complaining about, would gleefully sign off on Scottish independence because it would give them complete and permanent dominance over the rest of the UK - without the Scottish MPs there is no possibility of any other party controlling the UK government. (Post-independence Scotland would likely have a very unhappy experience negotiating with a permanent Tory government) LDs will back the outcome of the referendum whatever happens. Labour are the only party that might attempt to ignore the referendum because Scottish independence will end their existence.

m0nty 12y ago
I hadn't really thought through the implications for the remainder of the UK, you've made some interesting points. In terms of international politics, I could see it diminishing Britain's status considerably.
- sgt101 12y ago
  Well, maybe, I guess by Britain you mean England, Wales and Northern Ireland? My main concern is what does this mean for the position of Wales and NI in the union? I think that it will diminish Wales as an entity, and lord alone knows how it will play in NI. I'm English, I think England will muddle along, a bit like a sort of very militant and eccentric version of Holland. No bad thing that...
jarek 12y ago
> Labour are the only party that might attempt to ignore the referendum because Scottish independence will end their existence. Labour would have gotten elected quite frequently discounting Scottish votes. This link has been posted further downstream by nmeofthestate but worth reposting here: http://theweebluebook.com/principles-and-politics.php http://theweebluebook.com/principles-and-politics.php
sarabob 12y ago
Not true, sorry. Without the scottish seats, the only real difference in the last 50 years is that the current coalition would be pure-tory. See http://theweebluebook.com/assets/images/uk-govts.png http://theweebluebook.com/assets/images/uk-govts.png (from http://theweebluebook.com/principles-and-politics.php http://theweebluebook.com/principles-and-politics.php referencing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_Kingdom_general_election_results_in_Scotland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_Kingdom_general_ele...)

m0nty 12y ago

I hadn't really thought through the implications for the remainder of the UK, you've made some interesting points. In terms of international politics, I could see it diminishing Britain's status considerably.

sgt101 12y ago
Well, maybe, I guess by Britain you mean England, Wales and Northern Ireland? My main concern is what does this mean for the position of Wales and NI in the union? I think that it will diminish Wales as an entity, and lord alone knows how it will play in NI. I'm English, I think England will muddle along, a bit like a sort of very militant and eccentric version of Holland. No bad thing that...

jarek 12y ago

> Labour are the only party that might attempt to ignore the referendum because Scottish independence will end their existence. Labour would have gotten elected quite frequently discounting Scottish votes. This link has been posted further downstream by nmeofthestate but worth reposting here: http://theweebluebook.com/principles-and-politics.php http://theweebluebook.com/principles-and-politics.php

sarabob 12y ago

Not true, sorry. Without the scottish seats, the only real difference in the last 50 years is that the current coalition would be pure-tory. See http://theweebluebook.com/assets/images/uk-govts.png http://theweebluebook.com/assets/images/uk-govts.png (from http://theweebluebook.com/principles-and-politics.php http://theweebluebook.com/principles-and-politics.php referencing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_Kingdom_general_election_results_in_Scotland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_United_Kingdom_general_ele...)