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Beyond the coreboot argument I don't see a whole lot of value in the SBC router arena anymore. I used to be "that guy" as well, but since purpose-built hardwar
by windexh8er 12y ago
Beyond the coreboot argument I don't see a whole lot of value in the SBC router arena anymore. I used to be "that guy" as well, but since purpose-built hardware exists that does routing better there's no point.
AMD and Intel CPUs are pointless in this space - you can get far more packet performance, accelerated in hardware, with CPUs like Cavium (MIPS). I happen to work for a company that uses a lot of Cavium processors in it's products and they are the defacto standard in networking gear that is accelerated today. There is a little company called Ubiquiti (not who I'm employed by) has one of the best values in this space for the money. You can buy a $99 router that has a dual-core 500MHz Cavium which will do 1M PPS, oh - and I forgot to mention it runs Vyatta, so hack away.
http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/
I get it - there are people who want to run soup-to-nuts on a SBC, and there are legitimate use cases. The reality is that Wifi in those platforms is flat out: horrible (again, go buy Ubiquiti UniFi for $80 and get real RF performance - http://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap/ http://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap/) Putting an underpowered mPCI card that's sitting around all kinds of other RF noise and likely deployed in the wrong location compared to where your users are anyway isn't ever ideal.
But if you have a hypervisor laying around your house (and 9 times out of 10 on HN that's probably the case) throw your voice at a small instance - or a Raspberry Pi if you're worried about your carbon footprint / electrical bill. There's no shame in that - and at the end of the day you're going to have a far better network in terms of performance and reliability. SBCs are at that weird middle ground of being not worth the money when there's much better hardware targeted at what you're trying to accomplish. They feel, still, very 2005ish to me as they haven't really changed or added value - but the cost is still outrageous for what you get.
At the end of the day don't get caught up in MHz at your router - it's about accelerated packet performance. The Cisco and Juniper's of the world have known this for, well, ever. I have no relation to Ubiquiti what-so-ever other than having purchased a lot of their products over the years for personal use - and the brand is nothing short of undervalued IMO. I'm enthralled that they've branched out from a great line of cheap and reliable RF products to switching, routing, voice, video and even a small nugget of security (although - the L3/L4 firewall of days gone by is nothing more than useless in today's landscape).
- tacoman 12y agoThis mirrors my experience pretty closely and I think is really good advice, especially the comment regarding RF performance. Dedicated APs (especially the Ubiquiti devices) seem to have far superior performance than anything I've ever built myself. I ended up buying an APU1C to play with, but in the end that's all I'm doing with it.
- ErikRogneby 12y agoThanks for the vote of confidence on Ubiquiti. I am looking to get internet out to an off grid cabin about 250 ft from my main dwelling. I was thinking of running cat5 out to a PoE device, but just running a weather proof AP up a pole on my roof will be a lot easier.
- windexh8er 12y agoI have a pair of their devices doing just this. I'm using a NanoStation M and a Rocket M with a sector. I get a nice 300Mb link between the two buildings (roughly 300 ft apart) and I spray wireless over a dock within range where I run an IP camera. Both units have survived, now, 3 brutal midwestern winters and I've remotely upgraded them well over 20 times over that time period. They have been nothing short of impressive for the price. Skip the hardline, unless you need more bandwidth than a few hundred megs!
- Osiris 12y agoWould an edge router lite be appropriate for home use with cable/DSL service? The specs are amazing for the price: 2GB flash, 512MB RAM, dual-core 500mhz CPU, 3x GbE. I'd love to use something like this as my router/DHCP server and use my old routers and just AP access points in the house.
- windexh8er 12y agoYes - very much so. And if you're running an SOHO all-in-one today what most people don't realize is that all of those devices are underpowered for the features they run and the packet processing is the piece that takes the hit. You'll likely improve on latency numbers and just general performance from a network perspective. Splitting out good RF and a decent router are two things that people never seem to understand can make as big of a difference as it does until they do it. 6 months ago I would have told you the EdgeRouter needed some hard edges ironed out in software, but now it's rather functional. I use it for a lot of interop testing of OSPF and BGP with our product in my home lab.