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That's not entrapment. An undercover cop can ask you to commit a crime without entrapping you. It's only entrapment if the police induce you to commit a crime

by bravura 12y ago

That's not entrapment. An undercover cop can ask you to commit a crime without entrapping you. It's only entrapment if the police induce you to commit a crime that you wouldn't commit otherwise. Hence, them offering you the opportunity to commit a crime is permitted by law. See this illustrated guide to understand better: http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/19810672629/12-i-was-entrapped http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/19810672629/12-i-wa...

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derefr 12y ago
What I learned from that: the easiest way to detect undercover cops is to ask them to--or really, entrap them into--committing an unrelated crime, e.g. hurting someone. Imagine "rewarding" the new member of your drug ring by giving them a hired escort who has been paid to resist all acts upon them, and then locking the new member and the escort in a room together with some extremely brutal S&M "toys." You'll get lots of false positives--people who don't actually get their jollies from harming others--but it's the false negatives that are important here, so maybe populating your organization with sociopaths is a low price to pay. On the other hand: is the boss committing a crime just by setting up this "reward?" They wouldn't mention anything about having to harm the escort, it'd just be implicit in the setup that if you're that type of person, the situation is easy to take advantage of.
- bardot 12y ago
  No escort is stupid enough to participate in that. Only men would do that.
- rdtsc 12y ago
  Probably not uncommon for initiation / testing purposes to ask members of evil organization to break the law in some way. Such that they become black-mailable easily. A large organization would presumably benefit from having hidden away proof of each of its members breaking the law, such that if time comes and that member gets out of line, that can be used against them. So perhaps an undercover cop would be asked to assassinate someone, or take use illegal drugs and get recorded in the process. Prosecutors usually break this blackmail ring by offering immunity to one person if they present evidence against others.
- unreal37 12y ago
  That's wishful thinking. Undercover cops must commit minor crimes all day every day to be truly undercover in a drug ring. If the cop had to stop and say, "Sorry, I can't drive over the speed limit", they wouldn't be effective or ever used.

by bravura 12y ago

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derefr 12y ago

What I learned from that: the easiest way to detect undercover cops is to ask them to--or really, entrap them into--committing an unrelated crime, e.g. hurting someone. Imagine "rewarding" the new member of your drug ring by giving them a hired escort who has been paid to resist all acts upon them, and then locking the new member and the escort in a room together with some extremely brutal S&M "toys." You'll get lots of false positives--people who don't actually get their jollies from harming others--but it's the false negatives that are important here, so maybe populating your organization with sociopaths is a low price to pay. On the other hand: is the boss committing a crime just by setting up this "reward?" They wouldn't mention anything about having to harm the escort, it'd just be implicit in the setup that if you're that type of person, the situation is easy to take advantage of.

bardot 12y ago
No escort is stupid enough to participate in that. Only men would do that.
rdtsc 12y ago
Probably not uncommon for initiation / testing purposes to ask members of evil organization to break the law in some way. Such that they become black-mailable easily. A large organization would presumably benefit from having hidden away proof of each of its members breaking the law, such that if time comes and that member gets out of line, that can be used against them. So perhaps an undercover cop would be asked to assassinate someone, or take use illegal drugs and get recorded in the process. Prosecutors usually break this blackmail ring by offering immunity to one person if they present evidence against others.
unreal37 12y ago
That's wishful thinking. Undercover cops must commit minor crimes all day every day to be truly undercover in a drug ring. If the cop had to stop and say, "Sorry, I can't drive over the speed limit", they wouldn't be effective or ever used.