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Browser: Safari / ... Maps: ... / Apple for directions on mobile Phone OS: iOS Calendar: iCloud And then talks about data not given to one company. Really,

by Oletros 12y ago

Browser: Safari / ... Maps: ... / Apple for directions on mobile Phone OS: iOS Calendar: iCloud And then talks about data not given to one company. Really, is it just a strange joke?

k__ 12y ago
He's the CEO of DuckDuckGo and promotes to use it instead of Google, so what's to expect?
- Oletros 12y ago
  Are iCloud, iOS, Apple Maps or Safari part of DDG?
  - k__ 12y ago
    No, but since some of his suggestions are DDG and he is the DDG CEO, questioning his integrity doesn't seem so far-fetched.
  - skeletonjelly 12y ago
    Isn't DDG in the upcoming iOS release though?
eertami 12y ago
I thought it was satire because >I don't like to be tracked. >Phone OS: iOS, etc But now I think it is serious, if not highly deluded.
- atonse 12y ago
  It's actually quite simple: follow the money. Apple makes little to no money by invading your privacy. They've already made money once you bought their hardware. Which is why they will be a much better champion of your privacy. However, companies like Google and Facebook make almost 100% of their revenue by knowing every detail they possibly can about your life. That's why they try to commoditize hardware and place all the value in your personal information.
  - dharma1 12y ago
    Facebook doesn't commoditise hardware - but otherwise you're right. However, for hundreds of millions of people buying their first smartphones iProducts isn't even a viable option, while a sub $100 Android phone is. And those devices will be their gateway to the internet. So maybe something good will come out of it too And I guess you can opt out of the Google tracking ecosystem even on "Android" hardware
  - zanny 12y ago
    Just because it is not a primary revenue stream does not mean Apple lacks a profit motive to collect the data on their users. They certainly do. And since I cannot audit any of their upper layer code for any of their products, I cannot have any faith that they don't. At least with Android, I can get my own spin on AOSP like Paranoid Android.
dombili 12y ago
It's obviously not smart to rely on one company that heavily, but I can see his reasoning behind using Apple products. I too am not using any Google services if I can help it but if I had to make a choice between giving my data to Google or Apple, I'd choose Apple. Not because I trust Apple more than I trust Google, but because I trust their source of income. Apple's business is to sell you hardware, while Google's business is to gather information about you so it can show you ads.
- Oletros 12y ago
  Ah, so the problem is not having your data. By the way, I think iAds pertains to Apple, not to Google.
  - dombili 12y ago
    What Apple earns from iAds is chump change compare to Google's ad revenue. I don't deny iAds exists, but read my comment carefully. That's not their main source of income. Google's almost whole business is to sell ads. Apple can survive without selling ads, Google can not.
    - Oletros 12y ago
      And? Both of them track data, both of them do target ads. What is the real difference? One is better at doing it than the other?
      - dombili 12y ago
        I just told you the difference. What is it that you don't understand? Google's whole business revolves around showing you targeted ads. Apple's business is to sell you iDevices. Apple will not target you to the point where it's invasive and creepy (although I'd argue even the smallest amount of tracking is invasive, but I've been trying to look at this from Gabriel Weinberg's point of view) because Apple can not do anything to harm its main source of income. Google's job is to track you and they legally (and sometimes illegaly) do everything they can to be successful in their business. They can not hurt their main source of income by being invasive, because being invasive is their business. For the record, I'm not saying Apple is any better than Google or vice versa. As I said, I've been trying to play the devil's advocate.

by Oletros 12y ago

Browser: Safari / ... Maps: ... / Apple for directions on mobile Phone OS: iOS Calendar: iCloud And then talks about data not given to one company. Really, is it just a strange joke?

k__ 12y ago

He's the CEO of DuckDuckGo and promotes to use it instead of Google, so what's to expect?

Oletros 12y ago
Are iCloud, iOS, Apple Maps or Safari part of DDG?
- k__ 12y ago
  No, but since some of his suggestions are DDG and he is the DDG CEO, questioning his integrity doesn't seem so far-fetched.
- skeletonjelly 12y ago
  Isn't DDG in the upcoming iOS release though?

eertami 12y ago

I thought it was satire because >I don't like to be tracked. >Phone OS: iOS, etc But now I think it is serious, if not highly deluded.

atonse 12y ago
It's actually quite simple: follow the money. Apple makes little to no money by invading your privacy. They've already made money once you bought their hardware. Which is why they will be a much better champion of your privacy. However, companies like Google and Facebook make almost 100% of their revenue by knowing every detail they possibly can about your life. That's why they try to commoditize hardware and place all the value in your personal information.
- dharma1 12y ago
  Facebook doesn't commoditise hardware - but otherwise you're right. However, for hundreds of millions of people buying their first smartphones iProducts isn't even a viable option, while a sub $100 Android phone is. And those devices will be their gateway to the internet. So maybe something good will come out of it too And I guess you can opt out of the Google tracking ecosystem even on "Android" hardware
- zanny 12y ago
  Just because it is not a primary revenue stream does not mean Apple lacks a profit motive to collect the data on their users. They certainly do. And since I cannot audit any of their upper layer code for any of their products, I cannot have any faith that they don't. At least with Android, I can get my own spin on AOSP like Paranoid Android.

dombili 12y ago

It's obviously not smart to rely on one company that heavily, but I can see his reasoning behind using Apple products. I too am not using any Google services if I can help it but if I had to make a choice between giving my data to Google or Apple, I'd choose Apple. Not because I trust Apple more than I trust Google, but because I trust their source of income. Apple's business is to sell you hardware, while Google's business is to gather information about you so it can show you ads.

Oletros 12y ago
Ah, so the problem is not having your data. By the way, I think iAds pertains to Apple, not to Google.
- dombili 12y ago
  What Apple earns from iAds is chump change compare to Google's ad revenue. I don't deny iAds exists, but read my comment carefully. That's not their main source of income. Google's almost whole business is to sell ads. Apple can survive without selling ads, Google can not.
  - Oletros 12y ago
    And? Both of them track data, both of them do target ads. What is the real difference? One is better at doing it than the other?
    - dombili 12y ago
      I just told you the difference. What is it that you don't understand? Google's whole business revolves around showing you targeted ads. Apple's business is to sell you iDevices. Apple will not target you to the point where it's invasive and creepy (although I'd argue even the smallest amount of tracking is invasive, but I've been trying to look at this from Gabriel Weinberg's point of view) because Apple can not do anything to harm its main source of income. Google's job is to track you and they legally (and sometimes illegaly) do everything they can to be successful in their business. They can not hurt their main source of income by being invasive, because being invasive is their business. For the record, I'm not saying Apple is any better than Google or vice versa. As I said, I've been trying to play the devil's advocate.