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It was set up without structure when decentrality suggested the channel in an Ask HN post[0]. Because of its current state no one can claim ownership and grant

by bramgg 12y ago

It was set up without structure when decentrality suggested the channel in an Ask HN post[0]. Because of its current state no one can claim ownership and grant OP's. If someone affiliated with YC/HN emailed Freenode staff they would grant them ownership and they could then give out OP's to trusted others seeing as they probably don't have the time to moderate it. It would be great if #hackernews stayed like Hacker News and didn't evolve to #startups. Not ripping on #startups, but it would be great to have a slightly more "hardcore" and on topic alternative. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8249277 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8249277

darklajid 12y ago
I admit that I didn't understand this explanation right away, so .. for people that have the same issue, this is a different version: It would be great it someone officially associated with HN could contact the Freenode stuff (mail or maybe ask in #help first to understand what is required) to claim that channel. In an ideal world operator permissions wouldn't be required on IRC, but ... I'm sure it won't be long before the channel will be flooded/attacked. Calling for help in #help works in some cases, but having local users that are able to intervene would be better. Can I invoke kogir/dang to have a look at this maybe?
- aranjedeath 12y ago
  I think the point is NOT to do that. Keep the power structure flat, until such a time as somebody YC wants to intervene (by the aforementioned email).
  - darklajid 12y ago
    There is no power structure. Right now no one has any rights in that channel and that's going to be the case forever. 01:26 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Channel #hackernews is not registered. There's no Operator in there. No one will get operator permissions unless _all_ people leave first, the first to rejoin will be the new 'owner'. A different scenario is a split, where people might get to own the channel in a segment of the network. That's all fine, until the first trolls and spammers join the channel. Being able to issue mutes/bans IS helpful on IRC. Note that this is not related to the power structure. Flat is good. The idea bramgg seems to suggest is that someone grabs the channel in his role as a YC/HN representative and 'donates' it to the people inside. Give 5-10 people permissions and .. leave it alone. THAT's the idea. Not HN staff patrolling that channel.

by bramgg 12y ago

darklajid 12y ago

I admit that I didn't understand this explanation right away, so .. for people that have the same issue, this is a different version: It would be great it someone officially associated with HN could contact the Freenode stuff (mail or maybe ask in #help first to understand what is required) to claim that channel. In an ideal world operator permissions wouldn't be required on IRC, but ... I'm sure it won't be long before the channel will be flooded/attacked. Calling for help in #help works in some cases, but having local users that are able to intervene would be better. Can I invoke kogir/dang to have a look at this maybe?

aranjedeath 12y ago
I think the point is NOT to do that. Keep the power structure flat, until such a time as somebody YC wants to intervene (by the aforementioned email).
- darklajid 12y ago
  There is no power structure. Right now no one has any rights in that channel and that's going to be the case forever. 01:26 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Channel #hackernews is not registered. There's no Operator in there. No one will get operator permissions unless _all_ people leave first, the first to rejoin will be the new 'owner'. A different scenario is a split, where people might get to own the channel in a segment of the network. That's all fine, until the first trolls and spammers join the channel. Being able to issue mutes/bans IS helpful on IRC. Note that this is not related to the power structure. Flat is good. The idea bramgg seems to suggest is that someone grabs the channel in his role as a YC/HN representative and 'donates' it to the people inside. Give 5-10 people permissions and .. leave it alone. THAT's the idea. Not HN staff patrolling that channel.