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If you are in Europe I recommend hubiC instead of Dropbox. They are much cheaper and have servers in Europe (France - they are child company of OVH). Dropbox on

by dreen 12y ago

If you are in Europe I recommend hubiC instead of Dropbox. They are much cheaper and have servers in Europe (France - they are child company of OVH). Dropbox only has servers in America [1], so its slower. - 25GB free - 100GB 1€/m - 10TB 10€/m Yes you read that right, its TEN TIMES the space of Dropbox Pro, for the same price. Im not affiliated or anything, just a satisfied customer. [1] - https://www.dropbox.com/help/7 https://www.dropbox.com/help/7

rootinier 12y ago
Dropbox uses Amazon S3, therefore servers are located in Europe as well. EDIT: maybe my statement was a bit premature. I was confident Amazon was keeping mirrors, but it seems they only do this in the same region. Dropbox runs its own infrastructure network and uses AWS for storing files, both solely in the US.
- aidos 12y ago
  Do they use the European servers? It would be a lot more expensive from their point of view.
- Lazare 12y ago
  That doesn't follow in the slightest. Just because AWS has data centres around the world, it doesn't follow that Dropbox is using them. Do you have any sort of cite for your claim? Because the link in the comment you're replying to suggests that they store everything purely in the US.
- zuck9 12y ago
  They don't use S3 now. That was way long ago. Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8233622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8233622
  - rootinier 12y ago
    Sync a file via Dropbox and run lsof -i, and you get something like this: ec2-54-221-232-10.compute-1.amazonaws.com:https EDIT: it may be that they use EC2 for their infrastructure, but not for actually storing files. But they still use AWS.
- skrause 12y ago
  Dropbox transfers everything to the USA even if you are in Europe (I checked that with Wiresharks and traceroute). Because of that my main issue with Dropbox was always speed: Uploads and downloads were almost never higher than 500-700 kB/s even though my connection can do much more.
zschallz 12y ago
I considered hubiC, but all download syncs (from the website and application) for now are limited to 10mbit (even from the UK). There are several posts complaining about this on hubiC's forums. If you don't care about this, it's a really great deal, but to me it is a deal breaker.
- dreen 12y ago
  i think i agree, but then again ive been uploading my 80gb of backups for a while now there is also the fact that this may be faster than dropbox anyways due to hubix being hosted in europe i imagine there was also high demand for this from the start so limits made sense, but they should start removing them
  - zschallz 12y ago
    I really hope they do drop the limits. I've had no trouble downloading at around 3.5Mbytes/sec+ from Dropbox in the UK. I would have definitely went with hubiC otherwise.
reitoei 12y ago
No Linux client? No thanks. Edit: My mistake https://forums.hubic.com/showthread.php?272-hubiC-for-Linux-beta-is-out- https://forums.hubic.com/showthread.php?272-hubiC-for-Linux-...!
- drdaeman 12y ago
  It's OpenStack Swift under the hood, except that authentication is a bit weird (although properly documented). I'm using this wrapper: https://github.com/puzzle1536/hubic-wrapper-to-swift https://github.com/puzzle1536/hubic-wrapper-to-swift
deciplex 12y ago
Also, they don't hand your data over to the US government.
- deleted 12y ago
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- acdha 12y ago
  That's too pat a response: - You don't know that Dropbox does. - You don't know that hubiC doesn't turn data over to their government or whether it's shared with allies. - You don't know whether either of them have bugs which can be exploited by a MITM – or will in a coming update… Government spying requires political changes to establish a culture of oversight and accountability. You're fooling yourself if you think that choosing one company over another is anything other than an exercise in distraction when the attacker has the power to compel access with a gag order.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    >You don't know that Dropbox does Yeah, so we can just make an educated guess. Plus, Condo.
  - deciplex 12y ago
    >You don't know that Dropbox does. They've certainly given me no reason to think they don't, and enough circumstantial evidence to believe they probably do. We know for a fact they are targeted by the NSA, because they were specifically mentioned in the PRISM documents as the probable next target for cooperation with that program. So they're on the NSA's radar, and everyone knows it, and they know everyone knows it. In spite of this, a few months later, they bring onto their board Condoleezza Rice, a woman who, while she was in the Bush administration, went to bat for their warrantless wiretapping program a dozen times. She hasn't recanted - she's still a huge fan. This is pretty much the exact opposite of what you would do to address privacy concerns with your company. And in the whole time, they've addressed none of this. They spam HN with their stupid blog posts, and when somebody brings up the privacy issues, the poster gets downvoted, and Dropbox goes silent until their next blog post about whatever wonderful technology they've developed to make it easier for the US government to snoop on your data. At the very least, they clearly aren't very concerned about their image with respect to customer privacy, and they don't care if you know it. It's not like providing a service like Dropbox and providing provable security isn't a solved problem. And they don't do it. Yet they are the biggest player in this market. My, a clean site design and engineering blog really do go a long way. Anyway, this isn't a court of law. I'm not a judge or a jury and I'm not in a position to put anyone in jail. Requiring that level of proof to decide not to do business with someone, or whether to associate with them professionally, is not reasonable. They have not been forthright about privacy issues over the past year, they have acted in a way that shows they don't regard the legitimate privacy concerns of their users at all, and they have put someone on their board who stands in direct opposition to all that, anyway. That's more than enough. There was a lot of big talk last year around here about how people who work at the NSA ought to be ashamed, about how "the community" needs to ostracize these people. Soul searching about what kind of person you would have to be to create those kinds of systems, what delusions you would have to buy into, etc etc. Yet that's exactly what has happened at Dropbox - exactly those kinds of people are working there right now - and every week they post some bullshit from their blog and every week this board lines up to congratulate them. You're all a bunch of hypocrites.
nemesisj 12y ago
Do you know if they offer 2 factor authentication? I've been so annoyed with Dropbox support for the past 2 months I'm actively looking for a replacement, but it needs to have 2 factor auth.
coldtea 12y ago
>Yes you read that right, its TEN TIMES the space of Dropbox Pro, for the same price. Yeah, but what I want from a cloud store is convenience and long term prospects. 1) Do they have deep integration with iOS/Android apps the way Dropbox has? 2) Will they be around in 5 years?
- dreen 12y ago
  1/ good enough yes 2/ theyre part of the biggest european hosting company which has been around for 15 years so yes
kyriakos 12y ago
they should really have a tier between 100gb and 10tb. something along the lines of 500gb for 4eu / month. i'd happily buy that
kyriakos 12y ago
hubic syncs to my pc everything uploaded to it. assuming I have 10tb of files hosted on it, does it mean I need 10tb of hard disk space to keep them synced? kinda defeats the purpose of having so much storage online..

by dreen 12y ago

rootinier 12y ago

Dropbox uses Amazon S3, therefore servers are located in Europe as well. EDIT: maybe my statement was a bit premature. I was confident Amazon was keeping mirrors, but it seems they only do this in the same region. Dropbox runs its own infrastructure network and uses AWS for storing files, both solely in the US.

aidos 12y ago
Do they use the European servers? It would be a lot more expensive from their point of view.
Lazare 12y ago
That doesn't follow in the slightest. Just because AWS has data centres around the world, it doesn't follow that Dropbox is using them. Do you have any sort of cite for your claim? Because the link in the comment you're replying to suggests that they store everything purely in the US.
zuck9 12y ago
They don't use S3 now. That was way long ago. Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8233622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8233622
- rootinier 12y ago
  Sync a file via Dropbox and run lsof -i, and you get something like this: ec2-54-221-232-10.compute-1.amazonaws.com:https EDIT: it may be that they use EC2 for their infrastructure, but not for actually storing files. But they still use AWS.
skrause 12y ago
Dropbox transfers everything to the USA even if you are in Europe (I checked that with Wiresharks and traceroute). Because of that my main issue with Dropbox was always speed: Uploads and downloads were almost never higher than 500-700 kB/s even though my connection can do much more.

zschallz 12y ago

I considered hubiC, but all download syncs (from the website and application) for now are limited to 10mbit (even from the UK). There are several posts complaining about this on hubiC's forums. If you don't care about this, it's a really great deal, but to me it is a deal breaker.

dreen 12y ago
i think i agree, but then again ive been uploading my 80gb of backups for a while now there is also the fact that this may be faster than dropbox anyways due to hubix being hosted in europe i imagine there was also high demand for this from the start so limits made sense, but they should start removing them
- zschallz 12y ago
  I really hope they do drop the limits. I've had no trouble downloading at around 3.5Mbytes/sec+ from Dropbox in the UK. I would have definitely went with hubiC otherwise.

reitoei 12y ago

No Linux client? No thanks. Edit: My mistake https://forums.hubic.com/showthread.php?272-hubiC-for-Linux-beta-is-out- https://forums.hubic.com/showthread.php?272-hubiC-for-Linux-...!

drdaeman 12y ago
It's OpenStack Swift under the hood, except that authentication is a bit weird (although properly documented). I'm using this wrapper: https://github.com/puzzle1536/hubic-wrapper-to-swift https://github.com/puzzle1536/hubic-wrapper-to-swift

deciplex 12y ago

Also, they don't hand your data over to the US government.

deleted 12y ago
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acdha 12y ago
That's too pat a response: - You don't know that Dropbox does. - You don't know that hubiC doesn't turn data over to their government or whether it's shared with allies. - You don't know whether either of them have bugs which can be exploited by a MITM – or will in a coming update… Government spying requires political changes to establish a culture of oversight and accountability. You're fooling yourself if you think that choosing one company over another is anything other than an exercise in distraction when the attacker has the power to compel access with a gag order.
- coldtea 12y ago
  >You don't know that Dropbox does Yeah, so we can just make an educated guess. Plus, Condo.
- deciplex 12y ago
  >You don't know that Dropbox does. They've certainly given me no reason to think they don't, and enough circumstantial evidence to believe they probably do. We know for a fact they are targeted by the NSA, because they were specifically mentioned in the PRISM documents as the probable next target for cooperation with that program. So they're on the NSA's radar, and everyone knows it, and they know everyone knows it. In spite of this, a few months later, they bring onto their board Condoleezza Rice, a woman who, while she was in the Bush administration, went to bat for their warrantless wiretapping program a dozen times. She hasn't recanted - she's still a huge fan. This is pretty much the exact opposite of what you would do to address privacy concerns with your company. And in the whole time, they've addressed none of this. They spam HN with their stupid blog posts, and when somebody brings up the privacy issues, the poster gets downvoted, and Dropbox goes silent until their next blog post about whatever wonderful technology they've developed to make it easier for the US government to snoop on your data. At the very least, they clearly aren't very concerned about their image with respect to customer privacy, and they don't care if you know it. It's not like providing a service like Dropbox and providing provable security isn't a solved problem. And they don't do it. Yet they are the biggest player in this market. My, a clean site design and engineering blog really do go a long way. Anyway, this isn't a court of law. I'm not a judge or a jury and I'm not in a position to put anyone in jail. Requiring that level of proof to decide not to do business with someone, or whether to associate with them professionally, is not reasonable. They have not been forthright about privacy issues over the past year, they have acted in a way that shows they don't regard the legitimate privacy concerns of their users at all, and they have put someone on their board who stands in direct opposition to all that, anyway. That's more than enough. There was a lot of big talk last year around here about how people who work at the NSA ought to be ashamed, about how "the community" needs to ostracize these people. Soul searching about what kind of person you would have to be to create those kinds of systems, what delusions you would have to buy into, etc etc. Yet that's exactly what has happened at Dropbox - exactly those kinds of people are working there right now - and every week they post some bullshit from their blog and every week this board lines up to congratulate them. You're all a bunch of hypocrites.

nemesisj 12y ago

Do you know if they offer 2 factor authentication? I've been so annoyed with Dropbox support for the past 2 months I'm actively looking for a replacement, but it needs to have 2 factor auth.

coldtea 12y ago

>Yes you read that right, its TEN TIMES the space of Dropbox Pro, for the same price. Yeah, but what I want from a cloud store is convenience and long term prospects. 1) Do they have deep integration with iOS/Android apps the way Dropbox has? 2) Will they be around in 5 years?

dreen 12y ago
1/ good enough yes 2/ theyre part of the biggest european hosting company which has been around for 15 years so yes

kyriakos 12y ago

they should really have a tier between 100gb and 10tb. something along the lines of 500gb for 4eu / month. i'd happily buy that

kyriakos 12y ago

hubic syncs to my pc everything uploaded to it. assuming I have 10tb of files hosted on it, does it mean I need 10tb of hard disk space to keep them synced? kinda defeats the purpose of having so much storage online..