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The man at 18.00 minutes with the question about the mailing list tone. He kind of called Mr. Torvalds out on the way he talks to people on the mailing list. Wh
by _RPM 12y ago
The man at 18.00 minutes with the question about the mailing list tone. He kind of called Mr. Torvalds out on the way he talks to people on the mailing list. What grounds does he have to say something like that to Torvalds?
- meddlepal 12y agoWhy not? First, I thought the response was perfectly reasonable, but second, I think the way Linus behaves publicly entitles any person with or without credentials to legitimately question if that is the best approach. Linus, by making his criticisms both public and humiliating at times must expect to be criticized by anyone, especially someone willing to come out from behind a keyboard and ask him in person!
- blutoot 12y agoThe fact that Linus didn't take offense to the criticism of his abrasive nature shows that he expects it to be a two-way street. He really does have a thick skin.
- lutusp 12y agoOr maybe he senses the hypocrisy of complaining about the same sort of treatment he dishes out. I think he's too smart to make that mistake.
- Crito 12y agoIs it really so hard to believe that a man who is abrasive has no problem dealing with other people who are abrasive? There do exist different cultural attitudes and standards for abrasiveness, tact, manners, and respect. The standards currently used in corporate America are not universal; some people have stronger standards, others have looser.
- lutusp 12y ago> Is it really so hard to believe that a man who is abrasive has no problem dealing with other people who are abrasive? That would be a classic symptom of narcissism. I'm not saying Linus is a narcissist, if anything I'm saying the opposite -- if he accepts the same treatment from others that he puts out, that argues against narcissism. Now Steve Jobs, on the other hand ... I couldn't stand working with Steve because of his obvious and unbearable narcissism. He is why I never worked directly at Apple for more than a few weeks during many years of professional association on a number of software projects.
- dan00 12y agoLinus told a story about a guy, that wrote something for the kernel and Linus thought in the first place that it was more or less bullshit, but didn't told it directly to the guy, so when the guy was finished and wanted to get his stuff merged, Linus had to tell him that he will never merge this. I don't know how mucher later, but this guy killed himself afterwards. Linus told that he doesn't feel guilty about this or thinks that he was the main cause for the killing, but well, I don't think that such an experience has no effect on your behaviour, but I can't tell if Linus' behaviour was different before this event. I think that Linus told this story in the talk where he showed nvidia the finger.
- conistonwater 12y agoThis is the part of that talk, I believe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA#t=2111 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShbP3OpASA#t=2111 I actually find his reasons quite convincing, I think he's got a point.
- dan00 12y agoLike buovjaga rightly points out, Linus says "suicidal" and not "suicided". Sorry for that, I seem to have misheard it.
- rdtsc 12y agoA kid? I didn't see a kid. I saw man. Yeah he called Señor Torvalds out and so what? (using "Señor" here because you used "Mr." vs "a kid"). > What grounds does he have to say something like that to Torvalds? An open Q/A forum? Are those good enough grounds? Ok now you tell us why do you think he should not be able to ask that question?
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- rodgerd 12y agoSo free software's a meritocracy where ideas matter until someone asks Linus a question you don't like?
- GFK_of_xmaspast 12y agoLive by the sword, die by the sword.