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I always find this need to totally categorise "race" as an absolute as something very curious about the American culture...

DanBC 12y ago
English diversity forms can have complex listings of categories. Here's the English census, which might be mildly interesting to US readers because it has no mention of any American races: Well, I'd like to copy paste an URL here. I go to Google and type "English census form" into the box. First non-advert hit is the one I want. Right click, copy link address, switch tab, paste. Look at this fucking blob: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2F www.ons.gov.uk%2Fons%2Fguide-method%2Fcensus%2F2011%2Fthe-2011-census%2F2011-census-questionnaire -content%2F2011-census-questionnaire-for-england.pdf&ei=4aQDVO-SE6ek0QXs4oHwAQ&usg= AFQjCNGAEFRjZVqTLVgB0m9zxbbIcrcoBg&sig2=lPEfOAzhMhA0EO3GG9T19w (I added linebreaks to prevent breaking the HN page.) http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ons.gov.uk%2Fons%2Fguide-method%2Fcensus%2F2011%2Fthe-2011-census%2F2011-census-questionnaire-content%2F2011-census-questionnaire-for-england.pdf&ei=4aQDVO-SE6ek0QXs4oHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGAEFRjZVqTLVgB0m9zxbbIcrcoBg&sig2=lPEfOAzhMhA0EO3GG9T19w http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&... NO GOOGLE. NO PERSON WANTS THAT FUCKING URL. EVERYBODY WANTS THIS URL: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/2011/the-2011-census/2011-census-questionnaire-content/2011-census-questionnaire-for-england.pdf http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/2011/the-2011-... (Section 16 - Copy from a multi column PDF is painful. Sorry. Trying to select text from that made me want to smash up my computer.)
- quesera 12y ago
  Google has been serving those wanked URLs in search results for years, but only to logged-in users. Even if you turn off all search history settings. They apparently use the data to measure the strength of their ranked results. But that doesn't explain the logged-in vs not disparity.
  - qu4z-2 12y ago
    My favourite bit is the bait-n-switch where they show the correct url, then change it under you as soon as you click. That seems very underhanded to me.
- andreasvc 12y ago
  Try e.g. https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/clean-links/ https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/clean-links/
IvyMike 12y ago
I'm actually kind of being a dick when I answer "human". In theory, the data is used to answer questions about "how racist/inequitable is America these days", and given some of the uglier bits of our history, this is an important question to answer. I just wish we did not have to ask it.
thaumaturgy 12y ago
The U.S. has a history of disenfranchised minorities. Surveys and censuses provide data (when given by participants...) that can be used to e.g. correlate median household income to racial demographics. Then, people who want to make the U.S. more egalitarian have data to work with.

DanBC 12y ago

English diversity forms can have complex listings of categories. Here's the English census, which might be mildly interesting to US readers because it has no mention of any American races: Well, I'd like to copy paste an URL here. I go to Google and type "English census form" into the box. First non-advert hit is the one I want. Right click, copy link address, switch tab, paste. Look at this fucking blob: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2F www.ons.gov.uk%2Fons%2Fguide-method%2Fcensus%2F2011%2Fthe-2011-census%2F2011-census-questionnaire -content%2F2011-census-questionnaire-for-england.pdf&ei=4aQDVO-SE6ek0QXs4oHwAQ&usg= AFQjCNGAEFRjZVqTLVgB0m9zxbbIcrcoBg&sig2=lPEfOAzhMhA0EO3GG9T19w (I added linebreaks to prevent breaking the HN page.) http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ons.gov.uk%2Fons%2Fguide-method%2Fcensus%2F2011%2Fthe-2011-census%2F2011-census-questionnaire-content%2F2011-census-questionnaire-for-england.pdf&ei=4aQDVO-SE6ek0QXs4oHwAQ&usg=AFQjCNGAEFRjZVqTLVgB0m9zxbbIcrcoBg&sig2=lPEfOAzhMhA0EO3GG9T19w http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&... NO GOOGLE. NO PERSON WANTS THAT FUCKING URL. EVERYBODY WANTS THIS URL: http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/2011/the-2011-census/2011-census-questionnaire-content/2011-census-questionnaire-for-england.pdf http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/2011/the-2011-... (Section 16 - Copy from a multi column PDF is painful. Sorry. Trying to select text from that made me want to smash up my computer.)

quesera 12y ago
Google has been serving those wanked URLs in search results for years, but only to logged-in users. Even if you turn off all search history settings. They apparently use the data to measure the strength of their ranked results. But that doesn't explain the logged-in vs not disparity.
- qu4z-2 12y ago
  My favourite bit is the bait-n-switch where they show the correct url, then change it under you as soon as you click. That seems very underhanded to me.
andreasvc 12y ago
Try e.g. https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/clean-links/ https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/clean-links/

IvyMike 12y ago

I'm actually kind of being a dick when I answer "human". In theory, the data is used to answer questions about "how racist/inequitable is America these days", and given some of the uglier bits of our history, this is an important question to answer. I just wish we did not have to ask it.

thaumaturgy 12y ago

The U.S. has a history of disenfranchised minorities. Surveys and censuses provide data (when given by participants...) that can be used to e.g. correlate median household income to racial demographics. Then, people who want to make the U.S. more egalitarian have data to work with.