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> You ignore the use of the detection method in other areas - areas that you would call science. The linked article suggests that psychologists may try to prod

by lutusp 12y ago

> You ignore the use of the detection method in other areas - areas that you would call science. The linked article suggests that psychologists may try to produce results by analyzing how actual scientists talk about their science, blithely ignoring the fact that examining the science itself would be more effective. Also, an advocate of what you suggest would be hard-pressed to produce tangible evidence for results in mainstream science, because there aren't any. Frauds in real scientific fields are exposed, not by comparing their words to their work, but by comparing the evidence to reality. > Do you realise just how kook-like your behaviour is when ever the subject approaches psychiatry? 1. Are you aware that your arguments have no content, nothing that might be mistaken for science or good-faith debate, as a result of which you're making psychology look even more ridiculous that it already does? 2. Are you aware that my views on this topic now represent the mainstream? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-harold-koplewicz/dsm-mental-health-research_b_3247960.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-harold-koplewicz/dsm-mental... Ten years ago, I started a campaign against the use of Asperger Syndrome as a diagnosis, arguing that it was a particularly absurd diagnosis, able to reliably "diagnose" bright kids as mentally ill. After years of hearing from people like you who know nothing about the topic under discussion, Asperger Syndrome was abandoned for the reasons I gave. In this new effort, the DSM is being challenged for its lack of scientific rigor, and not just by me, but by people like the current chairman of the NIMH. Conclusion? You need a reality check. If psychologists were to read your replies to my posts, they would say, "Please -- don't be on our side."

PhasmaFelis 12y ago
> Ten years ago, I started a campaign against the use of Asperger Syndrome as a diagnosis, arguing that it was a particularly absurd diagnosis, able to reliably "diagnose" bright kids as mentally ill. After years of hearing from people like you who know nothing about the topic under discussion, Asperger Syndrome was abandoned for the reasons I gave. Asperger's wasn't "abandoned," it was folded into the broader spectrum of autism--and not by the field in general but only by the DSM, which you seem to distrust specifically, so I'm not quite sure where you're going with this claim. My Asperger's/autism diagnosis has made a huge difference to my quality of life, by helping me understand, deal with, and find support for my particular social, sensory, and mental-processing issues. The same is true for thousands of others, and we're kind of tired of you psychology deniers telling us that we don't exist.
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- lutusp 12y ago
  > Asperger's wasn't "abandoned," it was folded into the broader spectrum of autism ... This is a common misconception. Asperger's wasn't folded into the parent category, instead those who were diagnosed with Asperger's, and the symptom constellation it represented, were folded into the parent category. Asperger's was abandoned. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/health/03asperger.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/health/03asperger.html?pag... Quote: "Some experts worry that the loss of the label [emphasis added] will inhibit mildly affected people from being assessed for autism. “The general public has either a neutral or fairly positive view of the term Asperger’s syndrome,” said Tony Attwood, a psychologist based in Australia who wrote “The Complete Guide to Asperger’s Syndrome” (Jessica Kingsley Publishers, 2006). But if people are told they should be evaluated for autism, he went on, “they will say: ‘No, no, no. I can talk. I have a friend. What a ridiculous suggestion!’ So we will miss the opportunity to assess people.”" It's clear from the above that we're talking about a label, not a diagnosis. The label has been abandoned, and those seeking a diagnosis du jour with have to settle for Autism, universally regarded as undesirable. The thinking was that, if people with an Asperger's diagnosis knew they would be recategorized as autistic, this would reduce the diagnosis rate to something more consistent with reality, and the immediate motivation for the change was to halt an epidemic of nonsense diagnoses. > The same is true for thousands of others, and we're kind of tired of you psychology deniers telling us that we don't exist. You mean, along with all responsible psychiatrists and psychologists, all of whom now realize their mistake in allowing this diagnosis to come into existence? Your protest is on a par with someone who feels that his religious beliefs have been disparaged or discriminated against. I say this because Asperger Syndrome does not exist. The mental health profession now agrees and, by removing Asperger's from the DSM, has taken steps to signal clinicians to avoid use of the label. As to "psychology deniers", you may not be aware that the present chairman of the NIMH has recently ruled that the DSM may no longer be used as the basis for scientific research proposals, for the simple reason that it has no scientific content: http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-rats-of-n-i-m-h http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-rats-of-n-i-m-h http://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/director/2013/transforming-diagnosis.shtml http://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/director/2013/transforming-dia... The first step was the elimination of Asperger's from the DSM. The second step is the elimination of the DSM from serious conversation among scientists. So, tell me, which part of this recitation of real events is causing you the most personal anguish? In closing, I want to say something that you ought to find reassuring -- you're not a diagnosis, you're a human being. The Asperger's story proves that diagnoses don't have rights and can be abandoned without warning. But human beings have inalienable rights, and cannot be abandoned. Start thinking of yourself as a human being -- see how it works out for you.

by lutusp 12y ago

PhasmaFelis 12y ago

> Ten years ago, I started a campaign against the use of Asperger Syndrome as a diagnosis, arguing that it was a particularly absurd diagnosis, able to reliably "diagnose" bright kids as mentally ill. After years of hearing from people like you who know nothing about the topic under discussion, Asperger Syndrome was abandoned for the reasons I gave. Asperger's wasn't "abandoned," it was folded into the broader spectrum of autism--and not by the field in general but only by the DSM, which you seem to distrust specifically, so I'm not quite sure where you're going with this claim. My Asperger's/autism diagnosis has made a huge difference to my quality of life, by helping me understand, deal with, and find support for my particular social, sensory, and mental-processing issues. The same is true for thousands of others, and we're kind of tired of you psychology deniers telling us that we don't exist.

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lutusp 12y ago
> Asperger's wasn't "abandoned," it was folded into the broader spectrum of autism ... This is a common misconception. Asperger's wasn't folded into the parent category, instead those who were diagnosed with Asperger's, and the symptom constellation it represented, were folded into the parent category. Asperger's was abandoned. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/health/03asperger.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/health/03asperger.html?pag... Quote: "Some experts worry that the loss of the label [emphasis added] will inhibit mildly affected people from being assessed for autism. “The general public has either a neutral or fairly positive view of the term Asperger’s syndrome,” said Tony Attwood, a psychologist based in Australia who wrote “The Complete Guide to Asperger’s Syndrome” (Jessica Kingsley Publishers, 2006). But if people are told they should be evaluated for autism, he went on, “they will say: ‘No, no, no. I can talk. I have a friend. What a ridiculous suggestion!’ So we will miss the opportunity to assess people.”" It's clear from the above that we're talking about a label, not a diagnosis. The label has been abandoned, and those seeking a diagnosis du jour with have to settle for Autism, universally regarded as undesirable. The thinking was that, if people with an Asperger's diagnosis knew they would be recategorized as autistic, this would reduce the diagnosis rate to something more consistent with reality, and the immediate motivation for the change was to halt an epidemic of nonsense diagnoses. > The same is true for thousands of others, and we're kind of tired of you psychology deniers telling us that we don't exist. You mean, along with all responsible psychiatrists and psychologists, all of whom now realize their mistake in allowing this diagnosis to come into existence? Your protest is on a par with someone who feels that his religious beliefs have been disparaged or discriminated against. I say this because Asperger Syndrome does not exist. The mental health profession now agrees and, by removing Asperger's from the DSM, has taken steps to signal clinicians to avoid use of the label. As to "psychology deniers", you may not be aware that the present chairman of the NIMH has recently ruled that the DSM may no longer be used as the basis for scientific research proposals, for the simple reason that it has no scientific content: http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-rats-of-n-i-m-h http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/the-rats-of-n-i-m-h http://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/director/2013/transforming-diagnosis.shtml http://www.nimh.nih.gov/about/director/2013/transforming-dia... The first step was the elimination of Asperger's from the DSM. The second step is the elimination of the DSM from serious conversation among scientists. So, tell me, which part of this recitation of real events is causing you the most personal anguish? In closing, I want to say something that you ought to find reassuring -- you're not a diagnosis, you're a human being. The Asperger's story proves that diagnoses don't have rights and can be abandoned without warning. But human beings have inalienable rights, and cannot be abandoned. Start thinking of yourself as a human being -- see how it works out for you.