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Name one important person who ended up in jail for more-or-less-violent protesting, and ended up having this as a "self transforming" experience. I can name at

by nnq 12y ago

Name one important person who ended up in jail for more-or-less-violent protesting, and ended up having this as a "self transforming" experience. I can name at least one... Adolf Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler) ...and I think Mr. Joseph Stalin followed a similar career path, though I know less about the details (but here's a cute mugshot of him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_Stalin#mediaviewer/File:Stalin%27s_Mug_Shot.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Joseph_Stalin#med... ) So, here you go: Q: How do you severely radicalize a random semi-moderate non-violent protester? A: Send him/her to jail. Thankfully this girl kept a cool head and drew a sane interpretation from it, but seriously, what are you Americans trying to do, 'cook up' the next generation of world-wrecking monsters in some insane social-engineering experiment?!

virtuabhi 12y ago
Add Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ('Founder', ISIS) to the list. PhD, arrested in 2005 [1]. Many 'leaders' of ISIS are alumni of Camp Bucca and Abu Ghraib. [1] http://abc7chicago.com/politics/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-dangerous-leader-of-isis/248741/ http://abc7chicago.com/politics/what-you-need-to-know-about-...
jeffdavis 12y ago
She was convicted of a violent offense. Are you disputing the verdict or the punishment?
- TophWells 12y ago
  The punishment, from the sound of it.
  - jeffdavis 12y ago
    OK, how does the punishment for hitting a police officer in the US compare to other countries?
    - justin66 12y ago
      It's worth noting that the punishment here was pretty over the top even by US standards. In suburban middle America a college girl with no priors who bruises a cop will not ordinarily get charged with a felony. Some cities would even take the charge that she was manhandled by cops seriously and investigate it.
      - jeffdavis 12y ago
        That seems like you're disputing the charge/verdict, not the punishment. What is the normal punishment for felony assault of a police officer for someone with no priors? The reason this distinction is important is because disputing the charge/verdict requires getting involved in the case and seeing the prosecution's evidence.
        justin66 12y ago
        I was actually with you until here: > The reason this distinction is important is because disputing the charge/verdict requires getting involved in the case and seeing the prosecution's evidence. I don't agree at all but I also think we've seen enough of the evidence that there's not really much factually to dispute. (We know a lot more than the jury did, which is a very common and very depressing situation but also a separate topic) Anyhow, felony charges are usually reserved for people who do a lot of damage, on purpose, and who have prior convictions. I agree that there's a distinction to be made between the seriousness of charges and the severity of those charges associated punishment - they're determined by different parts of government, if nothing else - but I don't think as much hangs on it as you seem to, vis a vis the way different places treat crimes more or less severely. Heavy handedness in one area correlates with heavy-handedness in the other, after all.
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robinberlin 12y ago
Other followers of that career path include Fidel Castro and Nelson Mandela

by nnq 12y ago

virtuabhi 12y ago

Add Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ('Founder', ISIS) to the list. PhD, arrested in 2005 [1]. Many 'leaders' of ISIS are alumni of Camp Bucca and Abu Ghraib. [1] http://abc7chicago.com/politics/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-dangerous-leader-of-isis/248741/ http://abc7chicago.com/politics/what-you-need-to-know-about-...

jeffdavis 12y ago

She was convicted of a violent offense. Are you disputing the verdict or the punishment?

TophWells 12y ago
The punishment, from the sound of it.
- jeffdavis 12y ago
  OK, how does the punishment for hitting a police officer in the US compare to other countries?
  - justin66 12y ago
    It's worth noting that the punishment here was pretty over the top even by US standards. In suburban middle America a college girl with no priors who bruises a cop will not ordinarily get charged with a felony. Some cities would even take the charge that she was manhandled by cops seriously and investigate it.
    - jeffdavis 12y ago
      That seems like you're disputing the charge/verdict, not the punishment. What is the normal punishment for felony assault of a police officer for someone with no priors? The reason this distinction is important is because disputing the charge/verdict requires getting involved in the case and seeing the prosecution's evidence.
      - justin66 12y ago
        I was actually with you until here: > The reason this distinction is important is because disputing the charge/verdict requires getting involved in the case and seeing the prosecution's evidence. I don't agree at all but I also think we've seen enough of the evidence that there's not really much factually to dispute. (We know a lot more than the jury did, which is a very common and very depressing situation but also a separate topic) Anyhow, felony charges are usually reserved for people who do a lot of damage, on purpose, and who have prior convictions. I agree that there's a distinction to be made between the seriousness of charges and the severity of those charges associated punishment - they're determined by different parts of government, if nothing else - but I don't think as much hangs on it as you seem to, vis a vis the way different places treat crimes more or less severely. Heavy handedness in one area correlates with heavy-handedness in the other, after all.

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robinberlin 12y ago

Other followers of that career path include Fidel Castro and Nelson Mandela