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If the asshole responsible for this mess can chime in for a moment ;) I figured that it was worth a bit of a longer explanation (cross-posted from https://gist
by jashkenas 12y ago
If the asshole responsible for this mess can chime in for a moment ;)
I figured that it was worth a bit of a longer explanation (cross-posted from https://gist.github.com/jashkenas/cbd2b088e20279ae2c8e https://gist.github.com/jashkenas/cbd2b088e20279ae2c8e)
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Spurred by this thread, here's is a quick set of jotted-down thoughts about the state of "Semantic" Versioning, and why we should be fighting the good fight against it.
For a long time in the history of software, version numbers indicated the relative progress and change in a given piece of software. A major release (1.x.x) was major, a minor release (x.1.x) was minor, and a patch release was just a small patch. You could evaluate a given piece of software by name + version, and get a feeling for how far away version 2.0.1 was from version 2.8.0.
But Semantic Versioning (henceforth, SemVer), as specified at http://semver.org/ http://semver.org/, changes this to prioritize a mechanistic understanding of a codebase over a human one. Any "breaking" change to the software must be accompanied with a new major version number. It's alright for robots, but bad for us.
SemVer tries to compress a huge amount of information — the nature of the change, the percentage of users that will be affected by the change, the severity of the change (Is it easy to fix my code? Or do I have to rewrite everything?) — into a single number. And unsurprisingly, it's impossible for that single number to contain enough meaningful information.
If your package has a minor change in behavior that will "break" for 1% of your users, is that a breaking change? Does that change if the number of affected users is 10%? or 20? How about if instead, it's only a small number of users that will have to change their code, but the change for them will be difficult? — a common event with deprecated unpopular features. Semantic versioning treats all of these scenarios in the same way, even though in a perfect world the consumers of your codebase should be reacting to them in quite different ways.
Ultimately, breaking changes are no fun, and we should strive to avoid them when possible. To the extent that SemVer encourages us to avoid changing our public API, it's all for the better. But to the extent that SemVer encourages us to pretend like minor changes in behavior aren't happening all the time; and that it's safe to blindly update packages — it needs to be re-evaluated.
Some pieces of software are like icebergs: a small surface area that's visible, and a mountain of private code hidden beneath. For those types of packages, something like SemVer can be helpful. But much of the code on the web, and in repositories like npm, isn't code like that at all — there's a lot of surface area, and minor changes happen frequently.
Ultimately, SemVer is a false promise that appeals to many developers — the promise of pain-free, don't-have-to-think-about-it, updates to dependencies. But it simply isn't true. Node doesn't follow SemVer, Rails doesn't do it, Python doesn't do it, Ruby doesn't do it, jQuery doesn't (really) do it, even npm doesn't follow SemVer. There's a distinction that can be drawn here between large packages and tiny ones — but that only goes to show how inappropriate it is for a single number to "define" the compatibility of any large body of code. If you've ever had trouble reconciling your npm dependencies, then you know that it's a false promise. If you've ever depended on a package that attempted to do SemVer, you've missed out on getting updates that probably would have been lovely to get, because of a minor change in behavior that almost certainly wouldn't have affected you.
If at this point you're hopping on one foot and saying — wait a minute, Node is 0.x.x — SemVer allows pre-1.0 packages to change anything at any time! You're right! And you're also missing the forest for the trees! Keeping a system that's in heavy production use at pre-1.0 levels for many years is effectively the same thing as not using SemVer in the first place.
The responsible way to upgrade isn't to blindly pull in dependencies and assume that all is well just because a version number says so — the responsible way is to set aside five or ten minutes, every once in a while, to go through and update your dependencies, and make any minor changes that need to be made at that time. If an important security fix happens in a version that also contains a breaking change for your app — you still need to adjust your app to get the fix, right?
SemVer is woefully inadequate as a scheme that determines compatibility between two pieces of code — even a textual changelog is better. Perhaps a better automated compatibility scheme is possible. One based on matching type signatures against a public API, or comparing the runs of a project's public test suite — imagine a package manager that ran the test suite of the version you're currently using against the code of the version you'd like to upgrade to, and told you exactly what wasn't going to work. But SemVer isn't that. SemVer is pretty close to the most reductive compatibility check you would be able to dream up if you tried.
If you pretend like SemVer is going to save you from ever having to deal with a breaking change — you're going to be disappointed. It's better to keep version numbers that reflect the real state and progress of a project, use descriptive changelogs to mark and annotate changes in behavior as they occur, avoid creating breaking changes in the first place whenever possible, and responsibly update your dependencies instead of blindly doing so.
Basically, Romantic Versioning, not Semantic Versioning.
All that said, okay, okay, fine — Underscore 1.7.0 can be Underscore 2.0.0. Uncle.
(typed in haste, excuse any grammar-os, will correct later)
- tylerlh 12y agoJeremy, you make some great points here and I agree with you on most of them -- it's just that Underscore doesn't seem like the right place to start the battle.
- goldfeld 12y agoWhy is it not the right place? Why do people even have to update underscore--just keep with the older version. They also have a mostly drop-in replacement in lodash (well, last I've seen, at least). So I think it's a perfectly good place, it's not a library of "shiny new features", rather a staple that most people probably don't need to update, and even has an alternative. And you don't fight battles without a deal of incoveniencing. The mere fact of the publicity this is generating makes it a fair ground to fight that battle. Which is to say I can see his position, despite liking semver myself--though it could be distilled into a better standard and that could be a net positive long term on software development that far offsets the man-hours now being lost.
- tylerlh 12y agoYou know what they say...opinions are like assholes...
- abritishguy 12y agoI can accept everything you have written here - my feelings towards semver are very similar to your own. I feel in this instance what transpired was a deviation from what you have written - I went to start a new project and 2 of the dependencies I installed (out of 10) had problems, this release changed a lot of stuff that affected many of the dependent modules. >If the asshole responsible... If anyone was the asshole it was me, however I truly believe that underscore is better off and I would like to thank you for all the work you have put into it. :)
- thaumaturgy 12y ago> For most of software history, version numbers indicated the relative progress and change in a given piece of software. A major release (1.x.x) was major, a minor release (x.1.x) was minor, and a patch release was a small patch. You could evaluate a given piece of software by name, and get a feeling for how far away version 2.0.1 was from version 2.8.0. > But Semantic Versioning (henceforth, SemVer), as specified at http://semver.org/ http://semver.org/, changes this to make a mechanistic understanding of a codebase more important than a human one. Any "breaking" change to the software must be accompanied with a new major version number. I'm about 80% sure you're mistaken on this. I don't have a spec document or an example to back me up, but I've been slinging code for almost 30 years now, and cut my professional teeth on a big Unisys mainframe. Before version numbering in software became totally subjective, they were used to indicate break/change/patch, as described in semver.org. It was later on that software projects started to move away from that, mostly shareware and desktop software in the 90s, and only recently that projects like Firefox entirely lost the plot. The reason that "semver" used to be so popular, as you note, is because it made enterprise IT manageable. Developers don't think about that much anymore though; they just expect big IT departments to roll out nightly updates and then deal with the fallout the next day. (I'm not piling on or picking a fight, I don't use Underscore, I don't have a horse in this race. I'd welcome cited corrections or opinions from even older developers.)