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You can be effectively made homeless... You seem to be postulating a landlord that owns all the property. If you don't want to rent to me I can always find som

You can be effectively made homeless... You seem to be postulating a landlord that owns all the property. If you don't want to rent to me I can always find someone else. Incidentally, your concern about poor people being unable to commute to work is a bit silly. Most poor people don't have a job but do have a car. http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpswp2012.pdf http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpswp2012.pdf http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/h150-07.pdf http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/h150-07.pdf

Someone1234 12y ago
> You seem to be postulating a landlord that owns all the property. If you don't want to rent to me I can always find someone else. I am not postulating anything, it is a hard cold fact: If a landlord evicts a tenant with no notice they're at that point homeless (as in "with no home"). They might be able to find another property, maybe, but they also might not. It doesn't take a single landlord to own all properties in order to make it difficult for a tenant to find no place to live on literally 0 days notice (particularly when a lot of tenants living in rental accommodation are very cost constrained). > Most poor people don't have a job but do have a car. People in general don't have cars in the city, poor or rich. If someone is living on near minimum wage, and their home is moved from 10 minutes away to 20+ minutes away that is a big financial blow. That's more money, which they likely don't have, going to transport. It will be harder to find the "right" apartment if you have 0 days notice within which to do so. If you had a month or more to look for a new apartment you might be able to find something more suitable to your needs and budget. > Incidentally, your concern about poor people being unable to commute to work is a bit silly. There are people who can barely afford to put food on the table, my concerns about public transport costs are quite valid I assure you.
- yummyfajitas 12y ago
  If you are worried about finding a place with 0 days notice, ask that your lease include a "30 days notice" clause. I've never seen a lease agreement that didn't have one. Most lease contracts are 12 months. That gives you 1 year of warning. If someone is living on near minimum wage... Most poor people aren't. http://www.people.vcu.edu/~lrazzolini/GR2010.pdf http://www.people.vcu.edu/~lrazzolini/GR2010.pdf There are people who can barely afford to put food on the table Poor people are typically fat. The typical poor person has no job, if he does have a job it isn't minimum wage, and he has a car. He would also be healthier if he put less food on the table. Why do you keep discussing these completely atypical poor people, and extremely uncommon rental contracts?
  - Someone1234 12y ago
    > If someone is living on near minimum wage... >> Most poor people aren't. >> http://www.people.vcu.edu/~lrazzolini/GR2010.pdf http://www.people.vcu.edu/~lrazzolini/GR2010.pdf That link doesn't claim what you claim it claims. It talks about impact, and excludes a large chunk of the population for different reasons that it doesn't go into great lengths to justify (see page 597 (6 on the PDF)). Also the definition that they use for povery is extremely literal, see here for more info on that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#Measures_of_poverty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#M... Even with their massive amount of exclusions it still impacts almost 10%. >> There are people who can barely afford to put food on the table > Poor people are typically fat. That's an incredibly ignorant thing to say. It is like responding to global warming by saying "it is snowing outside!" Obesity is a side-effect of poverty. One person being obese doesn't exclude another from starving. > The typical poor person has no job, if he does have a job it isn't minimum wage, and he has a car. He would also be healthier if he put less food on the table. That's just raw bigotry now. You have given up the pretence even, you just hate poor people. > Why do you keep discussing these completely atypical poor people, and extremely uncommon rental contracts? They aren't atypical, they're extremely typical. Even according to your own link they make up around 10%. According to less exclusionary sources they make up more.
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    - yummyfajitas 12y ago
      That link doesn't claim what you claim it claims. It talks about impact, The focus of the paper is on impact, and along the way it counts people (including poor people) with wages between the current minimum wage and a proposed increased minimum wage. I have no idea what you mean by "massive amount of exclusions". That's just raw bigotry now. If so it's bigotry on the part of the BLS and Census. I guess you assert they are lying? If all the statistics (or at least the ones that disagree with you) are lies, there is no point continuing the discussion, since we can't get anywhere.
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DanBC 12y ago
> You seem to be postulating a landlord that owns all the property. If you don't want to rent to me I can always find someone else. So, you pay off all the utility bills at the old property. You maybe get some of the deposit back. You maybe get some rent back if you were paying in advance; or you have a debt if you were paying late. You then need to pay a month's rent in advance, and a deposit on the new property. Some utilities (at least, in England) want advance payments. There's a disturbing number of people who would not be able to pay all that. Including people with full time reasonably (for the not IT sector) paying jobs.

Someone1234 12y ago

> You seem to be postulating a landlord that owns all the property. If you don't want to rent to me I can always find someone else. I am not postulating anything, it is a hard cold fact: If a landlord evicts a tenant with no notice they're at that point homeless (as in "with no home"). They might be able to find another property, maybe, but they also might not. It doesn't take a single landlord to own all properties in order to make it difficult for a tenant to find no place to live on literally 0 days notice (particularly when a lot of tenants living in rental accommodation are very cost constrained). > Most poor people don't have a job but do have a car. People in general don't have cars in the city, poor or rich. If someone is living on near minimum wage, and their home is moved from 10 minutes away to 20+ minutes away that is a big financial blow. That's more money, which they likely don't have, going to transport. It will be harder to find the "right" apartment if you have 0 days notice within which to do so. If you had a month or more to look for a new apartment you might be able to find something more suitable to your needs and budget. > Incidentally, your concern about poor people being unable to commute to work is a bit silly. There are people who can barely afford to put food on the table, my concerns about public transport costs are quite valid I assure you.

yummyfajitas 12y ago
If you are worried about finding a place with 0 days notice, ask that your lease include a "30 days notice" clause. I've never seen a lease agreement that didn't have one. Most lease contracts are 12 months. That gives you 1 year of warning. If someone is living on near minimum wage... Most poor people aren't. http://www.people.vcu.edu/~lrazzolini/GR2010.pdf http://www.people.vcu.edu/~lrazzolini/GR2010.pdf There are people who can barely afford to put food on the table Poor people are typically fat. The typical poor person has no job, if he does have a job it isn't minimum wage, and he has a car. He would also be healthier if he put less food on the table. Why do you keep discussing these completely atypical poor people, and extremely uncommon rental contracts?
- Someone1234 12y ago
  > If someone is living on near minimum wage... >> Most poor people aren't. >> http://www.people.vcu.edu/~lrazzolini/GR2010.pdf http://www.people.vcu.edu/~lrazzolini/GR2010.pdf That link doesn't claim what you claim it claims. It talks about impact, and excludes a large chunk of the population for different reasons that it doesn't go into great lengths to justify (see page 597 (6 on the PDF)). Also the definition that they use for povery is extremely literal, see here for more info on that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#Measures_of_poverty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#M... Even with their massive amount of exclusions it still impacts almost 10%. >> There are people who can barely afford to put food on the table > Poor people are typically fat. That's an incredibly ignorant thing to say. It is like responding to global warming by saying "it is snowing outside!" Obesity is a side-effect of poverty. One person being obese doesn't exclude another from starving. > The typical poor person has no job, if he does have a job it isn't minimum wage, and he has a car. He would also be healthier if he put less food on the table. That's just raw bigotry now. You have given up the pretence even, you just hate poor people. > Why do you keep discussing these completely atypical poor people, and extremely uncommon rental contracts? They aren't atypical, they're extremely typical. Even according to your own link they make up around 10%. According to less exclusionary sources they make up more.
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  - yummyfajitas 12y ago
    That link doesn't claim what you claim it claims. It talks about impact, The focus of the paper is on impact, and along the way it counts people (including poor people) with wages between the current minimum wage and a proposed increased minimum wage. I have no idea what you mean by "massive amount of exclusions". That's just raw bigotry now. If so it's bigotry on the part of the BLS and Census. I guess you assert they are lying? If all the statistics (or at least the ones that disagree with you) are lies, there is no point continuing the discussion, since we can't get anywhere.
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DanBC 12y ago

> You seem to be postulating a landlord that owns all the property. If you don't want to rent to me I can always find someone else. So, you pay off all the utility bills at the old property. You maybe get some of the deposit back. You maybe get some rent back if you were paying in advance; or you have a debt if you were paying late. You then need to pay a month's rent in advance, and a deposit on the new property. Some utilities (at least, in England) want advance payments. There's a disturbing number of people who would not be able to pay all that. Including people with full time reasonably (for the not IT sector) paying jobs.