Maybe asking what things REALLY are has no meaning. Do objects have characteristics apart from what we can (physically) interact with and measure ? If thoses ch

Maybe asking what things REALLY are has no meaning. Do objects have characteristics apart from what we can (physically) interact with and measure ? If thoses characteristics exist but aren't measurable can we say they are real ? Does it make any sense ? I often use this line of thought to talk about God with open-minded believers. If there is a God that created our reality and acts on it, then the effects of these actions are real in our sense and thus measurable. It then follows that God isn't separate from the natural world and can be observed like many other natural phenomena we don't look at directly. Without a chain of interactions this wouldn't be possible. What I mean is our reality is one of interactions. What is real to us, and what can be called "existing" is what interacts directly or indirectly with our senses and our minds. What we mean by "nature" on a large scale is ultimately internal structure. Once we hit a level where internal structure doesn't make sense anymore, I'm not sure what we are looking at and what the word "nature" can be made to encompass.