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This is for poor and labor class people. Currently these people earn hand to mouth and spend daily as per their need. Husbands spend on drinking and there is no

This is for poor and labor class people. Currently these people earn hand to mouth and spend daily as per their need. Husbands spend on drinking and there is no money left for medicines or child care. If they get bank accounts 1)They will start saving. 2)They will understand the benefits of saving and be the owners of their own money. 3)Any govt schemes or benefits will directly reach them which currently is going into the pockets of corrupt middle men. $)Banks wont give credit or loans to these people without colatteral so no question of debts. This way it will start a revolution and it will take some time to see the actual benefits but I am sure it will be very positive.

quickdraw46 12y ago
Err, thats a very old school thought. Its more that these people don't believe in banks or the banking system. In-fact most of rural India still has people taking loans from 'zamindars' who end up charging insane interest rates and forcefully taking away property/farms from the poor farmers.
- webbrahmin 12y ago
  Not quite true. I connected to my village and and spend around two months there every year. 1. The Zamaindari (Zamin = Land ZaminDar = Big Land Owner ZaminDari = A system of exploitation set-up by British now dismantled.) system is over. Period. There are some big land wonders left but I am not going into it. 2. Poor borrow from money lenders who may or may not be big land owners. But in almost all the cases these money lenders are local muscle men, like everywhere else in the world. This is how parallel money lending works all over the world. The local moneylender lends money. Charges exorbitant rates. In case of non payment the life is made hell for the debtor. In many cases the debtor borrows money and spends it on gambling and alcohol and ends up loosing all his wealth to the money lender. BTW the money lender also accepts deposits. But they don't usually pay interest on the deposits. Many times these deposits work in an interesting way - what is called a "committee" in some parts of the country. Lets say there are 1000 contributors in the "committee" each depositing Rs 500 every month. Let's say duration of the committee is 2 years. Each month a lottery is conducted with one winner. The winner gets Rs 24 x 500 = 12,000 and stops contributing. The remaining members keep contributing. At the end of 24 months each remaining member gets 12,000 each. If a member misses a payment his/her contribution till date is forfeited. These moneylenders also accept deposits for safekeeping. Usually no interest is paid. Government's scheme plans to break this. 3. Government owned banks lend billions of Rupees every year to poor farmers and other economically/socially weaker sections. These loans were usually waived off by the Central (Federal) government. Populism over economics. 4. Opening of bank accounts is first step towards financial inclusion. 5. The number 15 million should be taken with a pinch of salt. Some banks like Bank Of Baroda were opening zero balance accounts and many who already had accounts opened another one with such banks. Branches were given targets and many opened accounts for family and friends who already had bank accounts.
  - quickdraw46 12y ago
    Ah yes my bad, I mislabeled the money lender people as zamindars. Thats just the old school name. I do agree with most of what you have to say, and guess its a good thing with all the bank accounts opening. It should somewhat curb the absolute chaos the rural India economy is in. The thing you talk about are also knows as BC (or the link) and its quite common even in metros. There is also a variation of it run by jewellers (and gold traders) where one pays a fixed amount every month which is invested in gold. If you don't mind me asking, which village? My roots are from a small town in UP which I have only visited once. But I am deeply intrigued by rural India and it always blows my mind when I realize most of the country's population is in rural India.
    - webbrahmin 12y ago
      My village is in Muzaffarpur district of Bihar. We grow leeche nuts and mangoes :)
  - jagira 12y ago
    kind of like payday loans?
- cubancigar11 12y ago
  I think knowing that at the end of the month you are going to have some money (in bank) is a revolutionary change. It converts your own perception of being a day-labor to a salaried person without actually doing much. Whether it brings positive change or negative is still to be seen but a change in perception of self is definitely a drastic step towards removing poverty.
nb1981 12y ago
..and people call me a dreamer. 1. They will start saving: No. They won't. They will have what little money they have put into a system outside of their control and systematically syphoned away. 2. The benefits of saving are not something people need to learn; the benefits of saving money are harder to justify to someone who isn't already wholly dependant on it (and maybe even perceives it as a tool used against his people for centuries). 3. True, but I fail to see a major difference between a government and corrupt middle men. Most government people run businesses, is that the same in India? Conflict of interest? 4. The 2000's called...give it a couple years and whatever legislation you think protects the poor will be watered down, eroded away, or completely worked around. The textbook justifications for predatory capitalism don't work anymore. I'm sorry, but the more involved the poor are in finance, the more they are preyed upon; because there is opportunity and reward. Taking candy from a baby. "Positive-spillover". FFS.
- eklavya 12y ago
  So you are saying the government is going through all these troubles to hand over subsidies and benefits to the poor only to "syphon" it away? You are forgetting people are being saved from the clutches of money lenders which have enslaved these people for a long time now. Now the poor have the opportunity to get a loan from the bank and a real insurance cover. This change can not be trivialized.
  - hrjet 12y ago
    +1 for moving away from the clutches of money lenders. Though, the situation isn't that simple. Money lenders often accept undeclared assets as collateral. So for some people (the uneducated or the unscrupulous) money lenders are a boon, not a clutch.
- nmridul 12y ago
  You should understand that most of the banks that opened these accounts are Public sector banks (or Government Banks). And most of these accounts have no minimum balance requirements and not many surprise charges. And deposits in Government banks are guaranteed (insured upto a certain amount). So there is no question of the money getting siphoned off.
pavanred 12y ago
Not to mention these people will not have to deal with the loan sharks and their huge loan interest rates. Besides, this scheme is not just a bank account but also includes debit cards, which should help people against problems of keeping all their money in cash on them at all times, and an insurance, in most of India agriculture is dependent on the monsoon and mainly by this there is a big problem of farmer suicides in the past.
r00fus 12y ago
Exactly - this is devolution [1], in a money==power kind of argument. By giving money with no questions asked to an individual on an account with very few restrictions and fees (these banks are publicly run, not private), and increasing the ability for the poor to pay each other, you have devolved power to them and away from corrupt middle-men. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution

quickdraw46 12y ago

Err, thats a very old school thought. Its more that these people don't believe in banks or the banking system. In-fact most of rural India still has people taking loans from 'zamindars' who end up charging insane interest rates and forcefully taking away property/farms from the poor farmers.

webbrahmin 12y ago
Not quite true. I connected to my village and and spend around two months there every year. 1. The Zamaindari (Zamin = Land ZaminDar = Big Land Owner ZaminDari = A system of exploitation set-up by British now dismantled.) system is over. Period. There are some big land wonders left but I am not going into it. 2. Poor borrow from money lenders who may or may not be big land owners. But in almost all the cases these money lenders are local muscle men, like everywhere else in the world. This is how parallel money lending works all over the world. The local moneylender lends money. Charges exorbitant rates. In case of non payment the life is made hell for the debtor. In many cases the debtor borrows money and spends it on gambling and alcohol and ends up loosing all his wealth to the money lender. BTW the money lender also accepts deposits. But they don't usually pay interest on the deposits. Many times these deposits work in an interesting way - what is called a "committee" in some parts of the country. Lets say there are 1000 contributors in the "committee" each depositing Rs 500 every month. Let's say duration of the committee is 2 years. Each month a lottery is conducted with one winner. The winner gets Rs 24 x 500 = 12,000 and stops contributing. The remaining members keep contributing. At the end of 24 months each remaining member gets 12,000 each. If a member misses a payment his/her contribution till date is forfeited. These moneylenders also accept deposits for safekeeping. Usually no interest is paid. Government's scheme plans to break this. 3. Government owned banks lend billions of Rupees every year to poor farmers and other economically/socially weaker sections. These loans were usually waived off by the Central (Federal) government. Populism over economics. 4. Opening of bank accounts is first step towards financial inclusion. 5. The number 15 million should be taken with a pinch of salt. Some banks like Bank Of Baroda were opening zero balance accounts and many who already had accounts opened another one with such banks. Branches were given targets and many opened accounts for family and friends who already had bank accounts.
- quickdraw46 12y ago
  Ah yes my bad, I mislabeled the money lender people as zamindars. Thats just the old school name. I do agree with most of what you have to say, and guess its a good thing with all the bank accounts opening. It should somewhat curb the absolute chaos the rural India economy is in. The thing you talk about are also knows as BC (or the link) and its quite common even in metros. There is also a variation of it run by jewellers (and gold traders) where one pays a fixed amount every month which is invested in gold. If you don't mind me asking, which village? My roots are from a small town in UP which I have only visited once. But I am deeply intrigued by rural India and it always blows my mind when I realize most of the country's population is in rural India.
  - webbrahmin 12y ago
    My village is in Muzaffarpur district of Bihar. We grow leeche nuts and mangoes :)
- jagira 12y ago
  kind of like payday loans?
cubancigar11 12y ago
I think knowing that at the end of the month you are going to have some money (in bank) is a revolutionary change. It converts your own perception of being a day-labor to a salaried person without actually doing much. Whether it brings positive change or negative is still to be seen but a change in perception of self is definitely a drastic step towards removing poverty.

nb1981 12y ago

..and people call me a dreamer. 1. They will start saving: No. They won't. They will have what little money they have put into a system outside of their control and systematically syphoned away. 2. The benefits of saving are not something people need to learn; the benefits of saving money are harder to justify to someone who isn't already wholly dependant on it (and maybe even perceives it as a tool used against his people for centuries). 3. True, but I fail to see a major difference between a government and corrupt middle men. Most government people run businesses, is that the same in India? Conflict of interest? 4. The 2000's called...give it a couple years and whatever legislation you think protects the poor will be watered down, eroded away, or completely worked around. The textbook justifications for predatory capitalism don't work anymore. I'm sorry, but the more involved the poor are in finance, the more they are preyed upon; because there is opportunity and reward. Taking candy from a baby. "Positive-spillover". FFS.

eklavya 12y ago
So you are saying the government is going through all these troubles to hand over subsidies and benefits to the poor only to "syphon" it away? You are forgetting people are being saved from the clutches of money lenders which have enslaved these people for a long time now. Now the poor have the opportunity to get a loan from the bank and a real insurance cover. This change can not be trivialized.
- hrjet 12y ago
  +1 for moving away from the clutches of money lenders. Though, the situation isn't that simple. Money lenders often accept undeclared assets as collateral. So for some people (the uneducated or the unscrupulous) money lenders are a boon, not a clutch.
nmridul 12y ago
You should understand that most of the banks that opened these accounts are Public sector banks (or Government Banks). And most of these accounts have no minimum balance requirements and not many surprise charges. And deposits in Government banks are guaranteed (insured upto a certain amount). So there is no question of the money getting siphoned off.

pavanred 12y ago

Not to mention these people will not have to deal with the loan sharks and their huge loan interest rates. Besides, this scheme is not just a bank account but also includes debit cards, which should help people against problems of keeping all their money in cash on them at all times, and an insurance, in most of India agriculture is dependent on the monsoon and mainly by this there is a big problem of farmer suicides in the past.

r00fus 12y ago

Exactly - this is devolution [1], in a money==power kind of argument. By giving money with no questions asked to an individual on an account with very few restrictions and fees (these banks are publicly run, not private), and increasing the ability for the poor to pay each other, you have devolved power to them and away from corrupt middle-men. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution