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I find it telling that you jump right into assigning me an emotional response for countering his logic with my own. Do you often accuse women of being too emot

I find it telling that you jump right into assigning me an emotional response for countering his logic with my own. Do you often accuse women of being too emotional? Or too aggressive? I can tell you that I have a male named account on hacker news and it never, ever gets called too angry, or aggressive, or emotional. Try it sometime, as a woman. It's most instructive.

Dwolb 12y ago
>I can tell you that I have a male named account on hacker news and it never, ever gets called too angry, or aggressive, or emotional. I'm not being sarcastic or facetious - this is a very enlightning statement and I almost cannot believe my own bias. To me your comments have sounded aggressive and emotional and it may just be my subconcious had seen your account name and biased my conscious assessment. So please forgive this bias, I didn't realize it ever existed! (for what it's worth I have historically thought myself to be logical, rational, and understanding of my own bias in most circumstances!)
- melindajb 12y ago
  I respect your ability to admit that and share it with people here. Truly isn't that the way we can all get better at understanding each other, to walk in each other's shoes? hats off to you.
- erichocean 12y ago
  I also thought the OP "sounded aggressive and emotional", and it was until she brought up the issue of a commenter's gender that I notice the OP's own gender (assuming "Melinda" is female, of course). I'm male BTW.
andrewflnr 12y ago
I'm not sure I've ever called anyone too aggressive or too emotional. I can say that you are far from the first commenter I've castigated for completely missing the point. You're still doing it. No one in this subthread is disputing that there is an issue wrt women in tech. Whatever the other evidence, there's enough smoke to indicate a fire. I was going to ask for details on your male-named account, but realized I believe you, and it doesn't change the situation. As for deducing an emotional response, your logic was obviously[] (and self-destructively) flawed, and the usual cause for that is some sort of emotional involvement. This is completely universal. I hardly needed to know, in addition, that this an emotionally sensitive topic. Which it is, what with everyone being accused of something. While I couldn't vouch for my specific language in previous posts, this is not the first time I've done this and I'm guessing it was mostly men before. I'll try to work on bthem more evenhanded, when it comes up; I don't like a perceptual bias any more than you do. [] For reasons I won't bother repeating. I'll just note that you didn't bother refuting any of them and went straight for the personal attack.

Dwolb 12y ago

>I can tell you that I have a male named account on hacker news and it never, ever gets called too angry, or aggressive, or emotional. I'm not being sarcastic or facetious - this is a very enlightning statement and I almost cannot believe my own bias. To me your comments have sounded aggressive and emotional and it may just be my subconcious had seen your account name and biased my conscious assessment. So please forgive this bias, I didn't realize it ever existed! (for what it's worth I have historically thought myself to be logical, rational, and understanding of my own bias in most circumstances!)

melindajb 12y ago
I respect your ability to admit that and share it with people here. Truly isn't that the way we can all get better at understanding each other, to walk in each other's shoes? hats off to you.
erichocean 12y ago
I also thought the OP "sounded aggressive and emotional", and it was until she brought up the issue of a commenter's gender that I notice the OP's own gender (assuming "Melinda" is female, of course). I'm male BTW.

andrewflnr 12y ago

I'm not sure I've ever called anyone too aggressive or too emotional. I can say that you are far from the first commenter I've castigated for completely missing the point. You're still doing it. No one in this subthread is disputing that there is an issue wrt women in tech. Whatever the other evidence, there's enough smoke to indicate a fire. I was going to ask for details on your male-named account, but realized I believe you, and it doesn't change the situation. As for deducing an emotional response, your logic was obviously[] (and self-destructively) flawed, and the usual cause for that is some sort of emotional involvement. This is completely universal. I hardly needed to know, in addition, that this an emotionally sensitive topic. Which it is, what with everyone being accused of something. While I couldn't vouch for my specific language in previous posts, this is not the first time I've done this and I'm guessing it was mostly men before. I'll try to work on bthem more evenhanded, when it comes up; I don't like a perceptual bias any more than you do. [] For reasons I won't bother repeating. I'll just note that you didn't bother refuting any of them and went straight for the personal attack.