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Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this premeditated state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms

by simias 12y ago

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this premeditated state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter). So not really, no. And you should really know better than replying with such trollbait, that's not contributing to the discussion in the slightest. This is the announcement of the death (?) of someone, not the place to argue ethics (or religion, because we all know that's what coming up next).

jacquesm 12y ago
This is not the announcement of the death of someone. The title clearly reads that he's being cryopreserved. If it was about his death I would expect something that would announce that rather than his so-called preservation. This is the trans-humanist movement claiming this moment as theirs rather than an announcement of a good persons death. It's simply an Alcor advertorial, not a eulogy. Supposedly he's not really dead, so either we can react to the article and he'll read this in the future and laugh at me or we should mourn him because he really is dead. Make up your minds.
- teraflop 12y ago
  A reasonable definition of death is "loss of consciousness and vital functions in a way that is impossible to reverse". By that definition, Hal Finney might be dead now but nobody really knows for sure, because the reversibility of current cryopreservation techniques is unknown. Just as in the case of someone who falls into a coma from which they'll probably never wake up, both mourning and hope are reasonable responses. I don't think it's fair to slam this announcement for choosing to put more emphasis on hope.
  - jacquesm 12y ago
    I think it's perfectly fair to call someone whose head has just been cut off and frozen dead. If not there are going to be an awful lot of killers who froze their victims heads exonerated and those that pulled the plugs on the freezers will be in the docket. It's the world on its head. Mourning is a reasonable response. Advertising is not and this article does not contain a whole lot of mourning (I can't detect any, correct me if I'm wrong) but it certainly does contain a ton of advertising. Essentially it is not about the person at all except for the first 10 words or so.
    - MichaelGG 12y ago
      Why are you so intent on conflating legal definitions with the truth?
- MichaelGG 12y ago
  I get sad when people close to me go on long trips, even though I'm counting on seeing them in a few years. Even if the trip is a great thing for them. I can be happy about their trip, while being that I'm going to be deprived of their company. And people can be sad that the probability of seeing him alive in close timeframes suddenly dropped from nearly 1 to somewhere closer to zero.

by simias 12y ago

jacquesm 12y ago

This is not the announcement of the death of someone. The title clearly reads that he's being cryopreserved. If it was about his death I would expect something that would announce that rather than his so-called preservation. This is the trans-humanist movement claiming this moment as theirs rather than an announcement of a good persons death. It's simply an Alcor advertorial, not a eulogy. Supposedly he's not really dead, so either we can react to the article and he'll read this in the future and laugh at me or we should mourn him because he really is dead. Make up your minds.

teraflop 12y ago
A reasonable definition of death is "loss of consciousness and vital functions in a way that is impossible to reverse". By that definition, Hal Finney might be dead now but nobody really knows for sure, because the reversibility of current cryopreservation techniques is unknown. Just as in the case of someone who falls into a coma from which they'll probably never wake up, both mourning and hope are reasonable responses. I don't think it's fair to slam this announcement for choosing to put more emphasis on hope.
- jacquesm 12y ago
  I think it's perfectly fair to call someone whose head has just been cut off and frozen dead. If not there are going to be an awful lot of killers who froze their victims heads exonerated and those that pulled the plugs on the freezers will be in the docket. It's the world on its head. Mourning is a reasonable response. Advertising is not and this article does not contain a whole lot of mourning (I can't detect any, correct me if I'm wrong) but it certainly does contain a ton of advertising. Essentially it is not about the person at all except for the first 10 words or so.
  - MichaelGG 12y ago
    Why are you so intent on conflating legal definitions with the truth?
MichaelGG 12y ago
I get sad when people close to me go on long trips, even though I'm counting on seeing them in a few years. Even if the trip is a great thing for them. I can be happy about their trip, while being that I'm going to be deprived of their company. And people can be sad that the probability of seeing him alive in close timeframes suddenly dropped from nearly 1 to somewhere closer to zero.