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it's hard to support either Ukraine or Russia - you definitely can't believe what either have to say. Ukraine is still having protests in Kiev, and calling for

it's hard to support either Ukraine or Russia - you definitely can't believe what either have to say. Ukraine is still having protests in Kiev, and calling for impeachment of the person they just fought to have put in place there... we can't cry foul at Russia arms/tanks showing up, considering what we give to Israel et al. also, considering Putin's track record, this is too brute force for him. he does things in such a way that make him look justified. it's hard to swallow. NATO can't do anything. they say "no war", but how do you enforce no war? sanctions hurt, but can be lived with, that only leaves...more war

IgorPartola 12y ago
The situation in Ukraine is complicated, I agree. However, I believe Ukraine has the right to deal with their internal problems internally. This is like China saying "well, there are protests in DC, so let's roll the tanks right in and clean this mess up for them." > we can't cry foul at Russia arms/tanks showing up, considering what we give to Israel et al. also, considering Putin's track record, this is too brute force for him. he does things in such a way that make him look justified. it's hard to swallow. Yes we can. Just because someone is doing something bad/stupid elsewhere does not mean that everyone should do it. One country invading another is wrong, no matter how you put it. Moreover, this is not "military aid". This is Russian troops going into Ukraine. This is an invasion of a sovereign country. So no, it is not hard to support Ukraine in this: Ukraine is being invaded by a bull with big plans for how to re-shape Europe. Ukraine is far (very far) from perfect, but that does not mean it's up for the taking.
- rational-future 12y ago
  >> Ukraine is being invaded by a bull with big plans for how to re-shape Europe Yeah, you're completely right. That bull is our MIC complex, that needs fake enemy to continue stealing over a trillion dollars annually.
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- foobarqux 12y ago
  I assume you feel the same way about US invasions?
  - IgorPartola 12y ago
    I do. The US invasion of Iraq was not legitimate, and those who knowingly lied to the public to get the US involved in this war should be prosecuted as war criminals.
danmaz74 12y ago
The protests in Kiev were asking the government to send more troops and material to the Donbas...
- vdaniuk 12y ago
  False equivalence is one of the most used tactics by Russian supporters/astroturfing. You can see it everywhere in this HN thread.
sxua 12y ago
Actually, today's events in Kyiv weren't a protests. It was more like a meeting. While information about so called impeachment requirement was spread by russian media.

IgorPartola 12y ago

The situation in Ukraine is complicated, I agree. However, I believe Ukraine has the right to deal with their internal problems internally. This is like China saying "well, there are protests in DC, so let's roll the tanks right in and clean this mess up for them." > we can't cry foul at Russia arms/tanks showing up, considering what we give to Israel et al. also, considering Putin's track record, this is too brute force for him. he does things in such a way that make him look justified. it's hard to swallow. Yes we can. Just because someone is doing something bad/stupid elsewhere does not mean that everyone should do it. One country invading another is wrong, no matter how you put it. Moreover, this is not "military aid". This is Russian troops going into Ukraine. This is an invasion of a sovereign country. So no, it is not hard to support Ukraine in this: Ukraine is being invaded by a bull with big plans for how to re-shape Europe. Ukraine is far (very far) from perfect, but that does not mean it's up for the taking.

rational-future 12y ago
>> Ukraine is being invaded by a bull with big plans for how to re-shape Europe Yeah, you're completely right. That bull is our MIC complex, that needs fake enemy to continue stealing over a trillion dollars annually.
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foobarqux 12y ago
I assume you feel the same way about US invasions?
- IgorPartola 12y ago
  I do. The US invasion of Iraq was not legitimate, and those who knowingly lied to the public to get the US involved in this war should be prosecuted as war criminals.

danmaz74 12y ago

The protests in Kiev were asking the government to send more troops and material to the Donbas...

vdaniuk 12y ago
False equivalence is one of the most used tactics by Russian supporters/astroturfing. You can see it everywhere in this HN thread.

sxua 12y ago

Actually, today's events in Kyiv weren't a protests. It was more like a meeting. While information about so called impeachment requirement was spread by russian media.