> "It makes sense to me to spy on all the folks in other countries. I don't see how else you would honestly do a good job of governing." You've equated spying

> "It makes sense to me to spy on all the folks in other countries. I don't see how else you would honestly do a good job of governing." You've equated spying on me with good governance. This is fallacious (as well as offensive). I am not a threat to you or your country. Targeted surveillance is one thing but collating data on everyone just because you can is wrong. In some sense it flips the 'innocent until proven guilty' the other way around (I'm foreign, therefore I'm guilty of being foreign and should be watched). What you've advocated for is simply a digital arms race where states vacuum up whatever data they can, as fast as they can, on everyone they can. If the states are friendly, then they can simply share all that information with each other. Everyone is 'foreign' to someone else so ultimately, everyone loses.