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Nope. Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope. Not okay. Direct brain interfaces, as cool as they are, make me super-nervous if I'm hooked up to anything not 100% i

Nope. Nope nope nope nope nope nope nope. Not okay. Direct brain interfaces, as cool as they are, make me super-nervous if I'm hooked up to anything not 100% in my control. We can't even keep Windows XP boxes from getting rooted--what chance does a person have?

bodhidharma 12y ago
You're not 100% in control of yourself, so I don't think 100% control of anything is possible.
tejon 12y ago
This is why I consider Dollhouse the single most terrifying piece of science fiction in recent memory.
endtime 12y ago
I upvoted you to try to bring you out of the gray because I think you're making a useful point (though I don't think your tone is effective, which is probably why you got downvoted). Write access to minds is, uh, pretty serious. And we generally suck at writing secure software. So yeah, this is scary. As much as I love the idea of this tech, and want to live in a world where it's ubiquitous and safe and we don't need screens or keyboards etc., I'm not going to be beta testing any of this stuff.
- MarkPNeyer 12y ago
  i have write access to your mind write now! not so bad, is it? once you learn not to put extreme trust into anything you think, it won't feel so bothersome. it'll probably help us trust each other more.
  - endtime 12y ago
    You have extremely limited write access to my mind - text over the internet is not a particular high-bandwidth or invasive channel. Short of some kind of neurolinguistic programming (which AFAIK isn't really a thing), the worst anyone can do is offend me. Direct electric stimulation is a pretty different beast. I am normally all for deconstructing arbitrary distinctions, but I don't think this one is arbitrary. There is a qualitative difference between reading text and having my brain internals directly manipulated by electrical impulses.
    - mindcrime 12y ago
      It is not important that you think of pink elephants right now. Or, even, if you can, then, remember a time when you might have thought of a pink elephant? And how the pink elephant made you feel, and then remember a future where you've been thinking about pink elephants for some time. Kind of amazing isn't it, how you came to think of a pink elephant that time? It's kind of warm, fuzzy, comforting pink feeling, just washing pink warmness all over your body and bathing you in the comforting embrace when you think of a pink elephant.
      - endtime 12y ago
        Yes, you can make me think about pink elephants (though I'm not convinced you can make me associate them with a warm fuzzy feeling). But you can't change my values or my memories by writing me a paragraph like that. You could if you kidnapped and brainwashed me, but that's also something I plan to avoid. It is precisely because my mind is vulnerable and malleable that I want to limit other people's write access to it. My house has windows, and you can see in, and you can put up a poster outside my window and I might see and read it and think about something. That's not the same as letting you walk into my house and touch me (or remote control my toilets or whatever).
        mindcrime 12y ago
        It was worth a try! :-) All joking aside, the mention of NLP above reminded me of some stuff I'd read a while back. I'm fairly skeptical of NLP, but I can see how some of those techniques might have a certain sort of value.
        MarkPNeyer 12y ago
        they work really well on people who believe they work. they don't work at all on people who dismiss them. funny, that.
      - serf 12y ago
        try that in Sumerian. May be more effective.
Zigurd 12y ago
What you think of as "you" is just the "press secretary" making up stories after the fact for a cabal of subconscious agents who are opaque to introspection and are making decisions on your behalf. "You" are already not in control. Enjoy the ride.
DanBC 12y ago
http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm From 26 years ago.

bodhidharma 12y ago

You're not 100% in control of yourself, so I don't think 100% control of anything is possible.

tejon 12y ago

This is why I consider Dollhouse the single most terrifying piece of science fiction in recent memory.

endtime 12y ago

I upvoted you to try to bring you out of the gray because I think you're making a useful point (though I don't think your tone is effective, which is probably why you got downvoted). Write access to minds is, uh, pretty serious. And we generally suck at writing secure software. So yeah, this is scary. As much as I love the idea of this tech, and want to live in a world where it's ubiquitous and safe and we don't need screens or keyboards etc., I'm not going to be beta testing any of this stuff.

MarkPNeyer 12y ago
i have write access to your mind write now! not so bad, is it? once you learn not to put extreme trust into anything you think, it won't feel so bothersome. it'll probably help us trust each other more.
- endtime 12y ago
  You have extremely limited write access to my mind - text over the internet is not a particular high-bandwidth or invasive channel. Short of some kind of neurolinguistic programming (which AFAIK isn't really a thing), the worst anyone can do is offend me. Direct electric stimulation is a pretty different beast. I am normally all for deconstructing arbitrary distinctions, but I don't think this one is arbitrary. There is a qualitative difference between reading text and having my brain internals directly manipulated by electrical impulses.
  - mindcrime 12y ago
    It is not important that you think of pink elephants right now. Or, even, if you can, then, remember a time when you might have thought of a pink elephant? And how the pink elephant made you feel, and then remember a future where you've been thinking about pink elephants for some time. Kind of amazing isn't it, how you came to think of a pink elephant that time? It's kind of warm, fuzzy, comforting pink feeling, just washing pink warmness all over your body and bathing you in the comforting embrace when you think of a pink elephant.
    - endtime 12y ago
      Yes, you can make me think about pink elephants (though I'm not convinced you can make me associate them with a warm fuzzy feeling). But you can't change my values or my memories by writing me a paragraph like that. You could if you kidnapped and brainwashed me, but that's also something I plan to avoid. It is precisely because my mind is vulnerable and malleable that I want to limit other people's write access to it. My house has windows, and you can see in, and you can put up a poster outside my window and I might see and read it and think about something. That's not the same as letting you walk into my house and touch me (or remote control my toilets or whatever).
      - mindcrime 12y ago
        It was worth a try! :-) All joking aside, the mention of NLP above reminded me of some stuff I'd read a while back. I'm fairly skeptical of NLP, but I can see how some of those techniques might have a certain sort of value.
        MarkPNeyer 12y ago
        they work really well on people who believe they work. they don't work at all on people who dismiss them. funny, that.
    - serf 12y ago
      try that in Sumerian. May be more effective.

Zigurd 12y ago

What you think of as "you" is just the "press secretary" making up stories after the fact for a cabal of subconscious agents who are opaque to introspection and are making decisions on your behalf. "You" are already not in control. Enjoy the ride.

DanBC 12y ago

http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm From 26 years ago.