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How much does that Easy Entrie machine cost? I'm seeing something like $10,000. A 3D-printed bump key ordered from Shapeways costs $5, and surely works better f

How much does that Easy Entrie machine cost? I'm seeing something like $10,000. A 3D-printed bump key ordered from Shapeways costs $5, and surely works better for obscure keyways than the ad hoc stuff you're describing.

emhart 12y ago
You literally asked someone to describe how they would have bumped it previously and I gave you a reasonable answer that included a scenario in which you haven't purchased the machine, but instead purchased a blank cut by the machine for LESS than what Shapeways are charging for your key. Not to mention that you seem to be ignoring the second paragraph entirely. And, honestly, this seems like a silly argument to be having. I actually think the boys did great work on this, and I really appreciate that you mention the possibility of forensic evidence (in the practice of which Germany is a leader) left by these keys. I just think that some people commenting on this thread are a bit frustrated by some of the hyperbole, and your insistence that there is no hyperbole is continuing to derail whatever point you are attempting to make.
- agreenberg 12y ago
  To address your points: I'm not sure where to find someone with this expensive machine. I know where to find Shapeways.com pretty easily. And as I wrote above regarding your second paragraph, a precisely-printed key surely is more reliable (and easier to make) than the bent sheet metal and grocery loyalty cards. I agree this argument is silly. Whether an Ikon SK6 lock is considered "umbumpable" and by who is pretty subjective. But this thread began with a commenter saying that none of this is news, and that it's all 50 years old. Hyperbole is indeed pretty annoying.
  - emhart 12y ago
    Hah, that's an absolutely fair point. I agree completely that this is news and certainly don't appreciate it being disregarded out of hand. We are, perhaps, in some sort of heated agreement at the end of the day :)

emhart 12y ago

You literally asked someone to describe how they would have bumped it previously and I gave you a reasonable answer that included a scenario in which you haven't purchased the machine, but instead purchased a blank cut by the machine for LESS than what Shapeways are charging for your key. Not to mention that you seem to be ignoring the second paragraph entirely. And, honestly, this seems like a silly argument to be having. I actually think the boys did great work on this, and I really appreciate that you mention the possibility of forensic evidence (in the practice of which Germany is a leader) left by these keys. I just think that some people commenting on this thread are a bit frustrated by some of the hyperbole, and your insistence that there is no hyperbole is continuing to derail whatever point you are attempting to make.

agreenberg 12y ago
To address your points: I'm not sure where to find someone with this expensive machine. I know where to find Shapeways.com pretty easily. And as I wrote above regarding your second paragraph, a precisely-printed key surely is more reliable (and easier to make) than the bent sheet metal and grocery loyalty cards. I agree this argument is silly. Whether an Ikon SK6 lock is considered "umbumpable" and by who is pretty subjective. But this thread began with a commenter saying that none of this is news, and that it's all 50 years old. Hyperbole is indeed pretty annoying.
- emhart 12y ago
  Hah, that's an absolutely fair point. I agree completely that this is news and certainly don't appreciate it being disregarded out of hand. We are, perhaps, in some sort of heated agreement at the end of the day :)