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I mean we've known about bump keys and lock picking for more then 50 years. None of this is news. If I 3D printed a set of lock picking tools would Wired run a

I mean we've known about bump keys and lock picking for more then 50 years. None of this is news. If I 3D printed a set of lock picking tools would Wired run a story on me?

narrowingorbits 12y ago
> If I 3D printed a set of lock picking tools would Wired run a story on me? Yes.
- blueskin_ 12y ago
  Coffee all over my keyboard. It's funny because it's true.
  - ricktehhaxxor 12y ago
    what kind of keyboard do you have? i have the moshi clearguard keyboard protector and highly recommend it. http://store.apple.com/us/product/TV901LL/A/moshi-clearguard-keyboard-protector-for-aluminum-macbook-and-macbook-pro http://store.apple.com/us/product/TV901LL/A/moshi-clearguard... there are others on the market though, so just do your research
    - Loque 12y ago
      one of the best tricks I learnt was not to put drinks in-front of your keyboard... very important (no joke), good space is behind your keyboard or the non-mouse side.
      - ricktehhaxxor 12y ago
        oh, that's good then. i too learned from personal experience. funny witticisms on the internet are rendered unfunny pretty quickly after you spew cola all over your setup. smh
    - blueskin_ 12y ago
      It's just a joke of the 'you owe me a new keyboard' variety; I didn't actually laugh coffee into it (although I did laugh while drinking coffee).
agreenberg 12y ago
Author of the story here. Like I wrote, 3D printed bump keys make locks that weren't easily bumpable in the past more easily bumpable. That's not a 50 year-old idea. Likewise, if your 3D-printed lock picking tools were more effective than the traditional kind, than yes, I might write about them, too.
- valarauca1 12y ago
  Changes to the keying of the key's shaft has little to do with how bumpable it is. If its still using the same internal mechanism. What I'm saying is, if you lock the case to your desktop shut. Dumping your unencrypted hard drive is still possible, and easy. And fundamentally completely unchanged. All you did was put a hurdle in front of it, not fundamentally change the attack vector.
  - agreenberg 12y ago
    So tell me how one would have bumped an Ikon SK6 in the past.
    - emhart 12y ago
      EZ Entrie machines[0], first of all, as they've been around for a decade or so and are purpose built to mill one-off high security blanks out of brass, so they're significantly more effective than their plastic counterparts. They are admittedly expensive, but when I briefly had access to one the gentleman running it was cutting me fresh blanks for a Euro a piece. They also have rather jaunty bows with smiley faces inscribed in them. Additionally, people have been bumping things with just about anything that can fit into a keyway, it doesn't particularly matter if it conforms to the exact shape of the key, so long as it can still interact with the pins directly. So, bent sheet metal with teeth cut into them, flexible grocery loyalty cards, etc. have all been used by folks in the locksport community to bump locks they didn't have proper blanks for. I can't deny the SK6 (and many Ikon locks, they are vicious) didn't have a particularly murderous keyway, but the possibility of carrying out a percussive attack wasn't nil. [0] http://www.qtactical.com/easy-entrie-key-machine/ http://www.qtactical.com/easy-entrie-key-machine/

I mean we've known about bump keys and lock picking for more then 50 years. None of this is news. If I 3D printed a set of lock picking tools would Wired run a story on me?

narrowingorbits 12y ago

> If I 3D printed a set of lock picking tools would Wired run a story on me? Yes.

blueskin_ 12y ago
Coffee all over my keyboard. It's funny because it's true.
- ricktehhaxxor 12y ago
  what kind of keyboard do you have? i have the moshi clearguard keyboard protector and highly recommend it. http://store.apple.com/us/product/TV901LL/A/moshi-clearguard-keyboard-protector-for-aluminum-macbook-and-macbook-pro http://store.apple.com/us/product/TV901LL/A/moshi-clearguard... there are others on the market though, so just do your research
  - Loque 12y ago
    one of the best tricks I learnt was not to put drinks in-front of your keyboard... very important (no joke), good space is behind your keyboard or the non-mouse side.
    - ricktehhaxxor 12y ago
      oh, that's good then. i too learned from personal experience. funny witticisms on the internet are rendered unfunny pretty quickly after you spew cola all over your setup. smh
  - blueskin_ 12y ago
    It's just a joke of the 'you owe me a new keyboard' variety; I didn't actually laugh coffee into it (although I did laugh while drinking coffee).

agreenberg 12y ago

Author of the story here. Like I wrote, 3D printed bump keys make locks that weren't easily bumpable in the past more easily bumpable. That's not a 50 year-old idea. Likewise, if your 3D-printed lock picking tools were more effective than the traditional kind, than yes, I might write about them, too.

valarauca1 12y ago
Changes to the keying of the key's shaft has little to do with how bumpable it is. If its still using the same internal mechanism. What I'm saying is, if you lock the case to your desktop shut. Dumping your unencrypted hard drive is still possible, and easy. And fundamentally completely unchanged. All you did was put a hurdle in front of it, not fundamentally change the attack vector.
- agreenberg 12y ago
  So tell me how one would have bumped an Ikon SK6 in the past.
  - emhart 12y ago
    EZ Entrie machines[0], first of all, as they've been around for a decade or so and are purpose built to mill one-off high security blanks out of brass, so they're significantly more effective than their plastic counterparts. They are admittedly expensive, but when I briefly had access to one the gentleman running it was cutting me fresh blanks for a Euro a piece. They also have rather jaunty bows with smiley faces inscribed in them. Additionally, people have been bumping things with just about anything that can fit into a keyway, it doesn't particularly matter if it conforms to the exact shape of the key, so long as it can still interact with the pins directly. So, bent sheet metal with teeth cut into them, flexible grocery loyalty cards, etc. have all been used by folks in the locksport community to bump locks they didn't have proper blanks for. I can't deny the SK6 (and many Ikon locks, they are vicious) didn't have a particularly murderous keyway, but the possibility of carrying out a percussive attack wasn't nil. [0] http://www.qtactical.com/easy-entrie-key-machine/ http://www.qtactical.com/easy-entrie-key-machine/