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Apple simply abuses whatever power it has more so than other companies. There's what, 30 million iPhone users out there? 40? If any of them want to listen to m

by tholex 17y ago

Apple simply abuses whatever power it has more so than other companies. There's what, 30 million iPhone users out there? 40? If any of them want to listen to music with legitimate headphones, they have to buy adapters to fit the intentionally-small opening. It's the same for all their proprietary plugs and devices. They exclude other RAM and hardware manufacturers from their desktop, even those that produce better products at a cheaper price.

larrykubin 17y ago
Legitimate headphones? I personally use the Sony MDR-V6 headphones and they fit perfectly in my iPod Touch. It's just a standard 3.5mm headphone jack. Is it not? If you go to the Apple Store, all of the iPods have Bose headphones plugged in... It's the G1 Android phone that required a special adapter. I've also bought plenty of cheap RAM and hard drives for Apple products. Just bought a Seagate hard drive for a MacBook last week. Apple doesn't manufacture their own hard drives.
wmeredith 17y ago
Uh, it seems like you might not know WTF you're talking about... Every headphone adapter I've ever tried to plug into my iPods has worked. What you're talking about was a design flaw on the first-gen iPhone that was corrected in the next model. The RAM statement is false. The "even even those that produce better products at a cheaper price" statement is a matter of opinion. As a side note, I'm afraid it's an opinion that few people share. There are a lot of points where you can pick on Apple; industrial design is not a good place to start. (It's kind of like going after Benjamin Franklin for being a crappy politician, instead of say slave ownership or smoking pot. Industrial design may be what Apple is best at.) They do exclude other computer makers from shipping computers running their OS. A lot of companies do this, though; the only reason it seems weird of Apple is that Microsoft doesn't do this and competitors are so small that it's basically dual market. There are other examples, though: you can't port the software running a Texas Instruments calculator or Mercedes Benz' iDrive control system anywhere else. But I'm not sure it's an abuse of power, it's just proprietary software. Go Linux if you want more freedom.
- tjogin 17y ago
  Microsoft does that too, with their Xbox (which, not coincidentally, is far less error and bug prone than their Windows PC offerings).
jws 17y ago
The tiny bit of truth that you seem to have choked on is that the 1st generation iPhones in 2007 had an issue with the case interfering with large plugs. The contacts were all standard, but most existing cables had big clunky molded plastic plugs that wouldn't fit past the case to fully engage. The iPhone case was redesigned in 2008 and no longer required the recessed jack. It's all tradeoffs. Extending the jack would have had it protrude past the semicircular profile of the case, that would make a lump and spoil the look and feel. So every time you notice that your new headphones no longer have a giant molded lump on the end of the cord to make it look like a serious 1970's 1/4" jack, you can thank us 2007 iPhone purchasers. It's ok, I can wait.
- tholex 17y ago
  Oh hey. Yea, I have a pair of HD280's that I wear around, and the plug is extremely nice, with a really well-thought-out adapter, and it really pissed me off with the 1st gen iPhone (http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/89158_002.jpg http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/89158_002.jpg). but it's Ok. I didn't know they fixed it on gen 2, that's good.

by tholex 17y ago

larrykubin 17y ago

Legitimate headphones? I personally use the Sony MDR-V6 headphones and they fit perfectly in my iPod Touch. It's just a standard 3.5mm headphone jack. Is it not? If you go to the Apple Store, all of the iPods have Bose headphones plugged in... It's the G1 Android phone that required a special adapter. I've also bought plenty of cheap RAM and hard drives for Apple products. Just bought a Seagate hard drive for a MacBook last week. Apple doesn't manufacture their own hard drives.

wmeredith 17y ago

Uh, it seems like you might not know WTF you're talking about... Every headphone adapter I've ever tried to plug into my iPods has worked. What you're talking about was a design flaw on the first-gen iPhone that was corrected in the next model. The RAM statement is false. The "even even those that produce better products at a cheaper price" statement is a matter of opinion. As a side note, I'm afraid it's an opinion that few people share. There are a lot of points where you can pick on Apple; industrial design is not a good place to start. (It's kind of like going after Benjamin Franklin for being a crappy politician, instead of say slave ownership or smoking pot. Industrial design may be what Apple is best at.) They do exclude other computer makers from shipping computers running their OS. A lot of companies do this, though; the only reason it seems weird of Apple is that Microsoft doesn't do this and competitors are so small that it's basically dual market. There are other examples, though: you can't port the software running a Texas Instruments calculator or Mercedes Benz' iDrive control system anywhere else. But I'm not sure it's an abuse of power, it's just proprietary software. Go Linux if you want more freedom.

tjogin 17y ago
Microsoft does that too, with their Xbox (which, not coincidentally, is far less error and bug prone than their Windows PC offerings).

jws 17y ago

The tiny bit of truth that you seem to have choked on is that the 1st generation iPhones in 2007 had an issue with the case interfering with large plugs. The contacts were all standard, but most existing cables had big clunky molded plastic plugs that wouldn't fit past the case to fully engage. The iPhone case was redesigned in 2008 and no longer required the recessed jack. It's all tradeoffs. Extending the jack would have had it protrude past the semicircular profile of the case, that would make a lump and spoil the look and feel. So every time you notice that your new headphones no longer have a giant molded lump on the end of the cord to make it look like a serious 1970's 1/4" jack, you can thank us 2007 iPhone purchasers. It's ok, I can wait.

tholex 17y ago
Oh hey. Yea, I have a pair of HD280's that I wear around, and the plug is extremely nice, with a really well-thought-out adapter, and it really pissed me off with the 1st gen iPhone (http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/89158_002.jpg http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/89158_002.jpg). but it's Ok. I didn't know they fixed it on gen 2, that's good.